From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: =?utf-8?q?brice=40waegenei=2Ere?= Subject: =?utf-8?q?Re=3A?= Joint statement on the GNU Project Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 17:49:56 +0200 Message-ID: <34a8-5da1f600-1-24acba00@194739025> References: <87ftk4hbhu.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54403) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iJJec-0006sJ-No for Guix-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 11:50:03 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iJJea-0004G8-Ur for Guix-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 11:50:02 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87ftk4hbhu.fsf@gnu.org> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: =?utf-8?q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= Cc: Guix-devel , GNU Guix maintainers Hello Guix, Since the shitshow seems unstoppable at this point, allow me to add my little crap to it. I have contributed (very) few patches to Guix and GNU, but mean to contribute more to Guix whatever the outcome of the drama. First I want to thoroughly thanks Ludovic Court=C3=A8s, Ricardo Wurmus = and Andy Wingo for their work on Free Software, especially Guix! Even tough= I don=E2=80=99t agree with their point of view on RMS nor the way they = promoted it, I acknowledge that all this fine community wouldn=E2=80=99t be work= ing together if it would haven=E2=80=99t been for them and their love for F= ree Software. I think you made a mistake by publishing your statement under the GNU domain. But since it only has been a few month since the move from guix.info to guix.gnu.org I can understand why you have published it there. And why you may not be in a position to redacted it now, without= the perception of loosing some ground. Asking to not comment the statement on the mailing list wasn=E2=80=99t a great idea neither but s= ince their hasn=E2=80=99t been any censoring, of which I=E2=80=99m aware, no= t harm has been done. Jean Louis would you be so kind to stop making copypasta and spam it makes the mailing list really hard to read and discredit your point of view =E2=80=93 of which I am mostly in accord with. The form makes it h= orrible to understand and it has probably alienated some of the readers. Puttin= g Jean Louis on the moderation queue would help a lot in keeping the mailing list healthy. Jean Louis writes: > So NO POLITICS IN GNU PROJECT! I=E2=80=99m sorry, but as a lot of thing in life, the GNU project *is* political. However the political scope of it is well defined by all the= links your repeatedly[1] use[2]. Jens M=C3=B8lgaard writes: > [=E2=80=A6] Repeatedly demanding =E2=80=9Cevidence=E2=80=9D or =E2=80= =9Cfacts=E2=80=9D while ignoring and refusing to > engage with any they are presented with. >From all of what I have read on the Guix mailing list (and a few IRC logs), I didn=E2=80=99t saw any evidence/facts. Only posts[3] where peo= ple reported their negative *feelings* when they encountered RMS. People ar= e responsible for their own feelings, you can=E2=80=99t make someone else= guilty by making you feel bad. I would really like for someone to change my mind on RMS wrongdoing by actually providing evidence =E2=80=93 that is recording or text of RMS = in the act of doing something reprehensible, not a report of someone recalling= feeling bad in his presence. I really hope the Guix project will regain it=E2=80=99s peace and comra= dery. Godspeed to you all! [1] [2] [3] -- bricewge ~ 8929 BBC5 73CD 9206 3DDD 979D 3D36 CAA0 116F 0F99