From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jean Louis Subject: Re: Proposal to remove the off-topic, not free software related thoughtcrime accusations from the Guix project pages on GNU.ORG websitew Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2019 17:48:20 +0000 Message-ID: <32731221-C09D-4E6B-8642-1600A5D56E64__14804.6687872679$1570738655$gmane$org@gnu.support> References: <20191009065352.GU8197@protected.rcdrun.com> <1c9dc59c-0594-6921-73e8-b173e558b5c3@vapaa.xyz> <20191010023714.GK20430@protected.rcdrun.com> <5zkw22sb.321942@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36378) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <321942@gmail.com>) id 1iIeB4-0006IL-Nh for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 15:32:47 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <321942@gmail.com>) id 1iIeB3-00067Z-Ec for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 15:32:46 -0400 Resent-To: guix-devel@gnu.org, gnu-system-discuss@gnu.org, help-guix@gnu.org Resent-Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5zkw22sb.321942@gmail.com> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Dmitry Alexandrov <321942@gmail.com> How are you? On October 10, 2019 12:39:00 PM UTC, Dmitry Alexandrov <321942@gmail=2Ecom= > wrote: >Did you move it offlist intentionally? If not, may I resend it back? Me for sure not intentionally and Guix managers are anyway conducting cens= orship=2E=2E=2E So no big deal=2E You can resend what you wish=2E I am not forbidding two-way free speech=2E >>>Wow! Ease off a bit! No need=2E I am not feeling fear when I state something=2E So they did not= ease with thru FUD and defamation on Guix pages on GNU=2Eorg domain, so wh= y MD or others should be silenced? No need=2E >>>You might not noticed that, but today Guix is the most vivid part of >>>GNU=2E And I could not image an action, that might cause more damage >to >>>GNU project, than urging Guix lead developers to leave=2E=20 I don't see absolutely no problem there=2E And they also not=2E Their stra= tegy is clear that they want their own community where thought police is to= punish thought crime=2E So I let them be=2E=20 Their behavior does not fit into GNU kind communication guidelines=2E And free software can be freely used? So what is the loss? Their only loss= is for them to lose other 100000 dollars donation, that is possible reason= for their hostile take over attempt=2E >>>all means, you would not able to outcompete them, so it would simply >>>ended in Guix out of GNU=2E =20 I am last person to convince on that as I am aware of their FUD and harm t= hey do to Guix, GNU and RMS=2E Convince others=2E >What the point of dubbing some free program an official GNU package >nowadays?=20 What is point in backstabbing of RMS? I asked and never got answers but FU= D=2E >I do not see how it can be harmful for Guix=2E Not to say, that you are >also urging to oust, at least, Guile and GnuPG=2E No, not at all=2E I am asking people to behave according to GNU kind commu= nication guidelines=2E And if they don't like it to step down and make thei= r own platform for their FUD=2E But using GNU=2Eorg domain to defame and ha= rass RMS is disaster for future=2E >Of course, it up to them, and I hope they have enough respect for GNU >and RMS heritage not to follow you strong advice=2E They have no respect for RMS=2E=20 Jean Louis