From: swedebugia <swedebugia@riseup.net>
To: Pjotr Prins <pjotr.public12@thebird.nl>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [Feature idea] Adding wikidata, wikipedia & screenshot-url fields to package-recipes
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 23:33:48 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <301f9d56-2091-2fbc-da89-c2ca53d0f580@riseup.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181101102150.naklct2uiujtp2rl@thebird.nl>
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Hi :)
On 2018-11-01 11:21, Pjotr Prins wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 01, 2018 at 10:44:19AM +0100, swedebugia wrote:
>> Also to help us to associate new and existing packages with
>> wikidata-entries we could devise a guile-programmed way to associate
>> wikidata-entries to existing package objects and perhaps use this to
>> populate new package-recipes created with guix import
>>
>> Guix would then be the first package manager to both be completely free
>> of proprietary software and to leverage knowledge from Wikidata and WP.
>>
>> What do you think?
> Absolutely the way forward. Totally excited you want to run with this!
>
> Wikidata is linked data and dry and by using it we can share between
> distros and software building projects (conda, easybuild etc.). It
> scales because the software maintainers themselves will be encouraged
> to update project information - such as a reference to a mailing list
> - which is the only way to really keep up-to-date in a scalable way.
> Wikipedia will use that information too. Wikidata is DRY.
First I did not understand DRY. Found
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don't_repeat_yourself
Agreed, it would be nice if changes to Wikidata would be driven by the
authors of the programs and shared with leaf nodes (package managers, etc.)
> People don't realise it, but in science to find the right tools for
> the job is often a challenge. Wikidata will help us create sections
> for tools that address certain tasks. For example variant calling in
> sequencing data. I and others here have a direct stake in solving this
> problem. This meta-information does not belong in Guix, so we need a
> place to handle it.
I agree. Though it would be good to find a way to keep queries to
wikidata to a minimum. Caching maybe.
> When you have a proof-of-concept we can even
> consider writing a paper about it.
Eh, unfortunately my guile and guix fu is not really anything to brag
about, yet ;-). I am reading up on guile and trying to understand the
code in guix.
Right now my skill level is at
* finding spelling errors and unclear text in the manual
* contribute new simple packages (about to package recoll
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recoll and splint)
* adding better error messages to guix
* sharing new ideas
This wikidata endeavor would likely take some time for me to accomplish
with a good mentor.
First up is deciding whether the core procedures interacting with
wikidata should be in guix or as a separate module. I suggest separate
module.
Then writing client procedures to interface with the SPARQL API in
wikidata. This has already been done in python 3 (beta) see
https://github.com/dahlia/wikidata gplv3+
We could piggyback on this client (essentially making guix dependent on
python :/) or better yet contribute to one of the existing guile sql
libraries:
* https://sourceforge.net/projects/guile-simplesql/files/latest/download
(unmaintained since 2014 it seems)
* https://github.com/opencog/guile-dbi (active fork)
The last one looks most promising but I did not look at the code yet.
> Will you join our Guix event at FOSDEM? This would be an interesting
> working group.
Thanks for the invitation. I will think about it.
I look forward to hone my guile and guix skills :)
Cheers
Swedebugia
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Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-11-01 9:44 [Feature idea] Adding wikidata, wikipedia & screenshot-url fields to package-recipes swedebugia
2018-11-01 10:21 ` Pjotr Prins
2018-11-01 22:33 ` swedebugia [this message]
2018-11-02 7:24 ` Pjotr Prins
2018-11-02 11:37 ` swedebugia
2018-11-02 15:37 ` Pjotr Prins
2018-11-01 13:37 ` Amirouche Boubekki
2018-11-01 23:25 ` swedebugia
2018-11-03 7:53 ` Catonano
2018-11-01 15:00 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
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