From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id DCo0God5g2D68gAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2021 03:51:03 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id kPDTFId5g2CObAAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2021 01:51:03 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E85D119CF4 for ; Sat, 24 Apr 2021 03:51:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:36270 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1la7Rl-0004BW-Ow for larch@yhetil.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2021 21:51:01 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43202) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1la7RY-0004BL-8o for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2021 21:50:48 -0400 Received: from 101a.relay.hey.com ([204.62.115.195]:54417) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1la7RW-0007Ap-Fe for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Apr 2021 21:50:48 -0400 Received: from hey.com (bigip-vip-new.rw-ash-int.37signals.com [10.20.0.24]) by 101.relay.hey.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE6BCA1770; Sat, 24 Apr 2021 01:50:43 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hey.com; s=heymail; t=1619229045; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to; bh=+Zx7TH50Y0/Jnd88N4CyX+4ma3kgPrLywS+HE3y2wPc=; b=JaY9i3/cupjGMHxc4tFmWJgLNMhipvScSNfK/O6U8QUsPVXHKh8F4gy7DPh+4lEHdHrDjZ yQgSx1aPuZ3wgtfao3Oqbdh0azuqENu8zVq5SB8ve3I70JPgxXH2eNU6JcdALeBufajOJT mpviO2L3UPszlqeDNEZouB1qP6Vw860kI8TzrXLl0BroFVCBWTV2iw9QN6yvyZ/XWlroKE 9l8u9h0n0qMHf4JIYxCqerktUMbft1T/MpyGCfbob1mJMry9u3xgVv1JkXJI1tCeve4j2W whIssTjjWLUn7PGWO4GsWBruqL1ZIgexJOulBzbuebpOrGokQ4yqoaB1qOZRvg== Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 01:50:43 +0000 From: Ryan Prior To: Leo Prikler , Leo Famulari Cc: jgart , Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution Message-ID: <2dfa301514bb1746c1b1943a09097a386edb8dad@hey.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Organizing Tui Apps Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_60837973e2583_331d3849268"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=204.62.115.195; envelope-from=ryanprior@hey.com; helo=101a.relay.hey.com X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1619229063; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=+Zx7TH50Y0/Jnd88N4CyX+4ma3kgPrLywS+HE3y2wPc=; b=EZ8eBay8f3UEyiJZyVq5Gy31bI0ctF+MWH6+Fn6hT2+TxJXwnfpf4MO6e3C0VJHiW/T9J1 Gi73QJc+eClTs8jk9oRpO7wwOhOk+dS5ouBxaN5MuCNUZBmORiYYywzyhtZD8Q+2NdzQVp woU0tQRrUbwo9qeauQXbL0d2Lz82CLyOpGJ289XLNit6jESbkTvGrOUyMAElXV8OG0DeRi +3+/a3S6oinJBtJyg2vA9mYwrCYgkrVcS9PocBADBDp7aZ1gohI88GLzCzYPv9UJ7v8epx YPjeqHN8Po9jzl5VqZWN1N6U3ybLAK/MUy9v4LQdy316eBM+2PlDw4SMENo4UA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1619229063; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=L0Ks21xiHm3xI2n0L7t9M0TpBew3KfRc0z09w//X9WB3WGKXLQfMnM8GKTW4yk7C3rtUbm 6/ePJeCgnOr754oZIQpDCVHF7mLieD6fWJwhyzZ2C3EOMLnYBJLJJYByOXZ7goFUeE2Z+S 4uWzWBqmzrHGsJguG81QxqX74LnzD/LarPEfXOMh0/esVwc0Xb1Ared3XCO1ag7JQKGFMF uHHHMqJrtb0XA7numCgInn6sYASZ8lRVrR/wfqI1Der7h13/FGp1ORp/VjD8x3N/obQrfc Gk5efuMN3DvQU3KNiztCXDUZ4+dM/uV+krWb1WHd0PV7t7l6zMjquUYIwrA1BQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=hey.com header.s=heymail header.b="JaY9i3/c"; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=hey.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.64 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=hey.com header.s=heymail header.b="JaY9i3/c"; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=hey.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: E85D119CF4 X-Spam-Score: -2.64 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: zo8r2QM7mVU4 ----==_mimepart_60837973e2583_331d3849268 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On April 23, 2021, Leo Famulari wrote: > On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 10:00:14PM +0200, Leo Prikler wrote: > > Spreadsheets sounds fine to me, but I think the most important ones > > (libreoffice and org-mode) are already excluded from that module for > > obvious reasons ;) > > Perhaps an even more generic "office" module might be better, > because > > then we could at least add some small word processors to it, WDYT? > Or > > maybe sc-im already fits as-is into textutils if you squint hard > enough > > My main objection was about moving packages. So whatever module you > create is fine, but let's not start moving libreoffice and org-mode > around. As the person who originally suggested organizing tui-apps into a file, I'd envisioned it as being sort of like its own desktop environment. So similar to how we might put Gnome (GTK) apps and KDE (Qt) apps together, we might put tui (ASCII terminal) apps together. I am not upset if that's unconvincing to others & will happily drop the proposal if it's not useful, I never intended for it to become a drawn out discussion. It also makes sense to me that we might organize things by programming language or by function, those each have strengths as strategies. Ryan ----==_mimepart_60837973e2583_331d3849268 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On April 23, 2021, Leo Famulari <leo@famulari.name> wrote:
On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 10:00:14PM +0200, Leo Prikler wro= te:
> Spreadsheets sounds fine to me, but I think the most importan= t ones
> (libreoffice and org-mode) are already excluded from that = module for
> obvious reasons ;)
> Perhaps an even more generi= c "office" module might be better, because
> then we coul= d at least add some small word processors to it, WDYT? Or
> maybe s= c-im already fits as-is into textutils if you squint hard enough

M= y main objection was about moving packages. So whatever module you
cre= ate is fine, but let's not start moving libreoffice and org-mode
aroun= d.

As the person who originally suggested organizing= tui-apps into a file, I'd envisioned it as being sort of like its own de= sktop environment. So similar to how we might put Gnome (GTK) apps and KD= E (Qt) apps together, we might put tui (ASCII terminal) apps together.
I am not upset if that's unconvincing to others & will happily d= rop the proposal if it's not useful, I never intended for it to become a = drawn out discussion. It also makes sense to me that we might organize th= ings by programming language or by function, those each have strengths as= strategies.

Ryan
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