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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1634891864; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=G8yGMKtkase/fN0/b+CKGv3FkINOyeHWw8whiXJAdCA=; b=dcJk8zWPAUgLqOtzFIQphV1c1pKGiBJzP70FmGxdPsFiVoxgLaaxhHlYmIB5zpVaAJNEDS r/I4RIYqAd6Z8QuIOuj4D0V1QECpJZagSKqKnNB+t60s1EFlPoUHRf9JDtP+jFTrFThKVh 7km3xhxXVmJDiWU/R84iWghoRnlAi4dAsQQzUdwjeqh0WJnpqg7gNxrgJQtiaOyOheAiv+ 2iO3vfzSQ4qalI1SJB0JY4iTdf3nwOG9OCLRSRFV00TPVfuyw387KYCfJ3kjnK9L73PY3N ajMI2SggffC2EK++8SGsatFeg0sfQeNsxObctq7WNdIG/xAuSSSn6jwtZwZLhA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1634891864; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=hTDZt/5hb3i4aWzxUXnDVI+H9HASZxxsykjH9Fr1HSFvPHNUux8+tTqhnPBkvHDOXYLQKZ uUwQl5GkWJCc+mTcsNjbBPIftLLfA+1laa0QoeDf7e0ystMBOsn37Ju8ijB+q88J1EXAny C9Gc86KiMFi+NhDG8ETG6xwdL4RDjhz1Sbr7/rwTVEaM3q4fndQc/yZH9qEKdeUyJ9a/vX LcMjfE9dq0Hmk+juha0B+uz1Xp0z2UfmPxy9usrDmKl9tYYtxHZEd9V94IYmahkgS+Y3dH hBkm39jWO8v00Gkuwkk8+KmyiCv3cLpKlteT8DB8pGau0TTDjSIwcIQqVgfzgA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=libre.brussels header.s=mail header.b=T4dAwfye; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=libre.brussels (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 0.17 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=libre.brussels header.s=mail header.b=T4dAwfye; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=libre.brussels (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 493142A385 X-Spam-Score: 0.17 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: H7nvjZbi6iw/ Hi Simon, I had noticed Woof and it does seem interesting and worthy of analysis. I should point out that the Ogmode community have the same problems and c= omplaints regarding the governance and efficacy of issue/bug tracking. Th= is is a socio-technological problem, which hopefully has solutions which = can cut across communities. Its also worth citing some of the suggestions in this devel-guix thread c= oncerning tooling or options: https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2021-08/msg00042.html Suggestions included: Bugs Everywhere https://bugs-everywhere.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ Git-Issue https://github.com/dspinellis/git-issue Fossil https://fossil-scm.org/home/doc/trunk/www/bugtheory.wiki IMHO, I though Bugs Everywhere was the most interesting, though it may ha= ve experienced some bitrot. More recently I have been deliberating on the idea of using a MUD type to= ol as an interface for issue and bugtracking. It seems that Powwow would be capable of using scripts in an interesting = way. https://www.hoopajoo.net/static/powwow-mirror/powwow/index.html This interests me: ``` Powwow also implements the MUME remote editing protocol, which enables yo= u to edit texts on the MUD using your own favourite editor, several texts= at once if you have a windowing terminal.=20 ``` Im=20also investigating Tintin++ https://tintin.mudhalla.net/ I personally would find it interesting to create 'conversational models' = for issue/bug tracking in such an environment, backed by: * interoperability with computing environments * interpreting infrastructure * projectile style configurations * supplementary protocols * light writing formats * configs and bindings to provide workflow A MUD type inferface is perhaps only a speculative concern but Id be inte= rested in hearing -/+ opinions and interest levels, if not practical sugg= estions. As some may be aware, I have been considering the issue/bug tracking topi= c from the perspective of the Gemini protocol (though now with a wider sc= ale than just comsidering Debbugs).=20 That=20is proceeding, though I was impeeded by some physical setbacks (st= atus:resolved) and completing wider responsibilities. Now back in the flo= w, I will provide updates once my projects start perculating. @Arun please mail me privately regarding your plans, Id like to hear abou= t where they may be intersections. @Christine I look forward to replying to your (private) mail in due cours= e - apoligies for radio silence. If you have suggestions regarding how Gu= ix can go MUD Im sure we'd all be interested! Kind regards, =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Jonathan McHugh indieterminacy@libre.brussels October 22, 2021 9:44 AM, "zimoun" wrote: > Hi Arun, >=20 >=20On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 at 23:51, Arun Isaac = wrote: >=20 >>=20The way I see it, we are outgrowing general purpose bug trackers lik= e >> debbugs. We need a special purpose bug tracker specifically for Guix >> with its special requirements. We are a big enough community for this = to >> be important. >=20 >=20For an example of such =C2=ABspecial purpose bug tracker=C2=BB, give = a look at > what Org-mode people do: >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20Well, it is currently down. It looks like that: >=20 >=20 >=20 > The code running it is Woof (lisp based): >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20Maybe there are some ideas to borrow. :-) >=20 >=20Cheers, > simon