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Hi Simon,

I had noticed Woof and it does seem interesting and worthy of analysis.

I should point out that the Ogmode community have the same problems and c=
omplaints regarding the governance and efficacy of issue/bug tracking. Th=
is is a socio-technological problem, which hopefully has solutions which =
can cut across communities.

Its also worth citing some of the suggestions in this devel-guix thread c=
oncerning tooling or options:
https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2021-08/msg00042.html

Suggestions included:
Bugs Everywhere https://bugs-everywhere.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
Git-Issue https://github.com/dspinellis/git-issue
Fossil https://fossil-scm.org/home/doc/trunk/www/bugtheory.wiki

IMHO, I though Bugs Everywhere was the most interesting, though it may ha=
ve experienced some bitrot.


More recently I have been deliberating on the idea of using a MUD type to=
ol as an interface for issue and bugtracking.

It seems that Powwow would be capable of using scripts in an interesting =
way.
https://www.hoopajoo.net/static/powwow-mirror/powwow/index.html
This interests me:
```
Powwow also implements the MUME remote editing protocol, which enables yo=
u to edit texts on the MUD using your own favourite editor, several texts=
 at once if you have a windowing terminal.=20
```
Im=20also investigating Tintin++
https://tintin.mudhalla.net/

I personally would find it interesting to create 'conversational models' =
for issue/bug tracking in such an environment, backed by:
* interoperability with computing environments
* interpreting infrastructure
* projectile style configurations
* supplementary protocols
* light writing formats
* configs and bindings to provide workflow

A MUD type inferface is perhaps only a speculative concern but Id be inte=
rested in hearing -/+ opinions and interest levels, if not practical sugg=
estions.


As some may be aware, I have been considering the issue/bug tracking topi=
c from the perspective of the Gemini protocol (though now with a wider sc=
ale than just comsidering Debbugs).=20

That=20is proceeding, though I was impeeded by some physical setbacks (st=
atus:resolved) and completing wider responsibilities. Now back in the flo=
w, I will provide updates once my projects start perculating.

@Arun please mail me privately regarding your plans, Id like to hear abou=
t where they may be intersections.

@Christine I look forward to replying to your (private) mail in due cours=
e - apoligies for radio silence. If you have suggestions regarding how Gu=
ix can go MUD Im sure we'd all be interested!

Kind regards,


=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Jonathan McHugh
indieterminacy@libre.brussels

October 22, 2021 9:44 AM, "zimoun" <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Arun,
>=20
>=20On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 at 23:51, Arun Isaac <arunisaac@systemreboot.net>=
 wrote:
>=20
>>=20The way I see it, we are outgrowing general purpose bug trackers lik=
e
>> debbugs. We need a special purpose bug tracker specifically for Guix
>> with its special requirements. We are a big enough community for this =
to
>> be important.
>=20
>=20For an example of such =C2=ABspecial purpose bug tracker=C2=BB, give =
a look at
> what Org-mode people do:
>=20
>=20<https://updates.orgmode.org>
>=20
>=20Well, it is currently down. It looks like that:
>=20
>=20<https://web.archive.org/web/20210228064154/https://updates.orgmode.o=
rg>
>=20
> The code running it is Woof (lisp based):
>=20
>=20<https://github.com/bzg/woof>
>=20
>=20Maybe there are some ideas to borrow. :-)
>=20
>=20Cheers,
> simon