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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Scanner: mx0.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -6.76 X-Spam-Score: -6.76 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 9EFBE40D2B X-TUID: Vv4oPwluwHQV Dear Janneke, On 9/23/23 09:37, Janneke Nieuwenhuizen wrote: > Nathan Dehnel writes: > >> I don't use emacs either (because it's so impenetrable) > Emacs might be somewhat different from what you know, but this is utter > bollocks. Thank you for your opinion but it's just that: a subjective judgement based on your own episodic experience. Which is definitely valid but unrealistically shared by so many to be able to define Nathan's experience "utter bollocks". I think this attitude (in my experience typical of GNU maintainers) where their way of doing computation is more blessed or holier or better sometimes really ruins the social interactions happening around Guix (which is the safest  community in the GNU project imho, probably also due to the distance they rightfully posed during the whole stallman drama). It's especially problematic when people in power such as maintainers do not realize their role in the community. You have more power, probably due to your investment you have a clearer vision of where the project is going as well. You are supposed to be a role model for new users and contributors. > If he could learn, most anyone should be able to pick it > up. > People are still indenting their code manually today, etc... it's > ridiculous. This behavior is not ok. Again, please, stop throwing your judgement on people. Potential users or contributors even. > Also, magit. I use Emacs, love magit, I used to use it daily also at $day_job on Windows because it's just so good, but I can assure you most of Git users never heard of it and live their life pretty happily. giacomo