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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail (rsa verify failed) header.d=mg.wilsonb.com header.s=krs header.b=Rat0MdT7; dkim=pass header.d=wilsonb.com header.s=201703 header.b=EAnzibX/; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=wilsonb.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.81 X-TUID: wDcExrM6hdun This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------_=_3214bbe906ef640912057188_=_ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_736be2663a4bda5a4f83227d_=_" This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------_=_736be2663a4bda5a4f83227d_=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > 1. We can only approximate that actual profile content; storing > an approximate =E2=80=98manifest.scm=E2=80=99 along with the profile w= ould IMO be > deceptive. Is this a technical barrier or a pragmatic one? If it is the former, then I don't quite grok why. I explain my reasoning in= great detail in a previous reply, but the gist is this: generating profiles= is deterministic, no? That is, given the inputs of channel revision, command l= ine invocation, and any referred-to external files, then `guix time-machine' is= enough to recreate a profile, no? If the problem is of pragmatics, then at the very least I would be interest= ed in hearing a delineation of the challenges. I think this could be helpful f= or the discussion though. > Yeah, I think our goal is just to provide a tool to migrate from the > =E2=80=9Cimperative=E2=80=9D way to the declarative way. Once people hav= e gotten > started with manifests, they no longer need that migration tool. Would you mind commenting on the use case that I started this thread with? Specifically, I was trying to `guix pack' a `guix environment'. The equival= ent is straightforward for purely --ad-hoc environments but not otherwise. Personally, I have already encountered several instances where this would h= ave been useful. I also think it would be just plain cool to have the ability t= o pack up, containerize, and share arbitrary profiles with non-guix users. Thoughts? ------_=_736be2663a4bda5a4f83227d_=_-- ------_=_3214bbe906ef640912057188_=_ Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iI0EABYIADUWIQQ7FdZn/PDWvxE6cmR2pStZ7i7CgQUCXuiuARccZWxhZXh1b3Rl ZUB3aWxzb25iLmNvbQAKCRB2pStZ7i7CgcXiAQDNhtJZzozknQ++zj0CUyjftX9C Aw3FZecX1CjK9wB/0gEA2RUIy8sKqe8KEcNyClNLMONMhB7yt5ZktO1xZ1FWiQM= =mulU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------_=_3214bbe906ef640912057188_=_--