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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1619688401; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=y6lG77HW5R8r4i2sWW8CHmoPaynKP8+DiaQHd1PEtpM=; b=nL+OoEyyCEM4W8tUWpuvzsYJ967qVYZM5Jf6J8w1lrFdN2aDjeXWyRHsC1Mv7HDkeBoPrv XOmDfBHOjuKica14xfzZhnzPMepalMMQrcwYxyaQlcxM0Aoc73wlA0jZ1sPWfKjEQPNiFY 5RSoQAg1ykHJ2Mr1iHLGQEhquF2+EnFwD+CvwD8Z3MooIfJmdEhl4/ztpVK6aAEnAPwbhZ Ia7ZD2d9IzQ04nmoJwH8TlhCCQMSu++aRqTOPbodCnsTV2jILppiIPR+RTe3F6O4cVb3lS o8nM8Xr5L7p5c+rrVuWsA0LAgOs0wCO6rCiAQMoKOwg+JqBsMmDZU9b8G9iqKw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1619688401; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=CarbJS6SeE9xsiIxQ+QFICToAPx0KHYa/R2ZR/v16F6iRY40ElzIfozvY/N+KLi8oMez8K cjzNEnnsHft4Updm8f7pCB6TJQilPDPkR18DSHtIdcU+NmsPvYccWQfwQ8g40cZ08ST735 w4h5HC6QNL/Bhmlq3bODSsPRNyQcWmGeWclWlJP7PRuA1r4290u79N2kW++abnls4E+Q9A Z+kUHStBTJVGmagYwsf2+VShE0ED0bU/KiAvqZ9aj9yYdgpXXFbqZPGMwTiTbe547U3OG3 Obvtwuc7VGnaVA0v0bpawuKc7aoLNNuFLz6FKa/5EKZn9Bmjog77lvx6hQ5rYw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=zaclys.net header.s=default header.b=NzczEHg8; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=zaclys.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.25 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=zaclys.net header.s=default header.b=NzczEHg8; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=zaclys.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4CE2121A5C X-Spam-Score: -5.25 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: Laao4nU/fpKm --=-ZZ2mMiKu7gUoVrggX8yK Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2021-04-28 at 12:43 -0400, Mark H Weaver wrote: > I'm sorry if this comes off as obtuse, but having now re-read all of > my > messages in this thread, I honestly do not see what I did wrong here. > I will need some help to understand. >=20 > With very few exceptions, almost every sentence that I wrote was > purely > factual. It seems to me that the facts speak for themselves, and > those > facts naturally cast Raghav and L=C3=A9o in a bad light. I don't see how > to > avoid that while still presenting the facts. >=20 > You, and a couple of others, have criticized my "tone". This is very > subjective, especially over email where we must *imagine* the tone of > the speaker. Is it possible that you read more in my messages than I > actually wrote? >=20 > It would be very helpful if you could point out specific messages or > quotes of mine to illustrate your criticisms, and to clearly explain > what's wrong with them. I'm not trying to be obstructionist here. I > honestly don't understand, and I cannot improve without > understanding. >=20 > Thanks, > Mark >=20 If you really do not understand, I encourage you read=20 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_Communication and associated works. --=-ZZ2mMiKu7gUoVrggX8yK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCgAdFiEEFIvLi9gL+xax3g6RRaix6GvNEKYFAmCKe7IACgkQRaix6GvN EKadUA//d1jelJqYOvE0pvEfjpO7U2o/RhdzG0NnAmm4z35M46ggasP2liTyQyfK YuKzvZ91JZVp6YDMBTCjmHrAd5jsVuHiXlF9FvMTuHT0u77bz1Mt+v5YE/SIzeKD TzOB1DYE41UkxQ3TxIjXNGSlAGoorERU+pm4MlAyBqcqCkmBsL+o+CDUalnKR9tb m2gYqLByQZSQQ4BhBA1+Uvpz8RmyawWZjG5ewiR00ErVdi9M0SI5aWD6D8EehuW9 7RYlC3tZ4RQJx5h+KZKYz93u7e6DGxtw5AsncVnM0HsSxSvdCGlsbLSNv2//DhwM TL39BwhO7I0fp54B65CApYPbt7fZ/gP+YaxZKl4M8bN9ELAKteBIYM4mRZeMJRho l1/VxeJW+gCQ885saEcZhj6zQZ1tsq7/5NDTCGH/d59pVfSd4DVGB1ANhY2WgmIS CisFliUXIUjovznOje148HKVUHllX7PbKFrXid51e3Rzg2C7PRdATxVDiQtNHMV8 SJ708douDZOkwJY664NB/tO2rqQsxs//Mr5xvEDp2dbMMHlhqNWuAkaZ5CF/pOTh vdIezsUgynk9jAbpyS5gCopx6dr4KfQanvefKAKN6M1ilZVwAkfhlevhQbTNwWP0 ro6U75Kxyzu74oN3I0IdfyaZS1ZWJiQL5Uk2fv5Wgl8HsmG/a+g= =eilB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-ZZ2mMiKu7gUoVrggX8yK--