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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1622545457; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=PAr0XlN82ckdEyrgy4wePOs5FCXWGusPrDD4A+lp1mw=; b=oqD7OUvTb14Q4oARyVfOcs9tGYoAA/3k8fc8QnqUVsAM6C/0ysOZx1olt8WV4aEvH+zs9w 1gVwBbeU5CKnvjS2RIZgoKi9BhbK5W+MxA2FzV8+uBGT3JhdLQzHP0P6PhuQFqBGZxnrbd 1c0xodsrjCU/4qW6IoAwqzA7zKX+jbqx34evbj90FDAj+Sbk34yp0nG7laYNO/kIHUEYWM B7WMzpve1KFD/pkXP5lDvrT4vI1QZNkjaBnfuZc/YrnVTi6+LxlKPOfnCDSmlaHPiINKSd t+yEJd4ewXiO0p8aR/0RA5skmoZXB7VjayEp646mnKgawRzvbLJlqzQYl7SRaA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1622545457; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=FcyI6P1K9AfXJH6bHOr+xjZsvH844zRQio4+y2coV+kQWc9j4L5iaOvlMPt5ZSYVkgs0rJ t5Pp3DqIbMqxRFpqUfiJ7qnwUqBBVxgUkrfxWMPHC20/wPeMUWstM50vyyvkkoRW79ac0d 1NrZ2wLE4LWl299PwlsgftAj/dgKrDuHi/mZyKg9uYPK5ctZwxrFcazeb3NFloc352odJB h0BVEtUbamgcKxdEGmx989X5oQtVtx42FlkR3aKOc0a444Rb4B5vrsYACWSa09chMyMIMV Ar8HSWXdh4ALNnGG2Y3dC75v9mIvnKMTlDUSBW3g51SDj+T4/sZYtX3lYPebow== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=tugraz.at header.s=mailrelay header.b=gZDlnqAE; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=student.tugraz.at; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.13 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=tugraz.at header.s=mailrelay header.b=gZDlnqAE; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=student.tugraz.at; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 54D61194C5 X-Spam-Score: -3.13 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: kYCnvhE8t7wx Am Dienstag, den 01.06.2021, 12:52 +0200 schrieb Adriano Peluso: > Il giorno mar, 01/06/2021 alle 11.11 +0200, Leo Prikler ha scritto: > > > The output could be a collection of .tar.gz files distributed > > > through > > > ipfs, bittorrent, syncthing or rsync > > > > > > Not necessarily packages in the way Guix intends them > > > > > > I understand there's already some work going on to reproduce > > > tarballs > > > in a format convenient to Guix (maybe with proper hashes and > > > metadata > > > ?) for when they get erased by distributors > > Well, ideally Guix would have have ipfs-fetch, bittorrent-fetch > > etc. > > as > > methods or fallbacks, but this doesn't solve the problem that's > > posed > > here. You can't just pull the complete source closure of e.g. > > Fractal > > over the ether and pretend it's just one package. > > Probably the Fractal package will depend on some others, so it's > gonna be a collection 🤷️ > > Doesn't that happen already for traditional tarballs ? We don't stuff tarball collections into packages. We stuff inputs into packages and one input equals one tarball. > > We already drop all > > vendored dependencies from tarballs, that aren't created by Rust et > > al., this does the exact opposite. > > I'm not sure I understand > > This does the opposite ? > > How so ? Let's assume we form this sexp-pack and use it as input to some package. What happens? Regards, Leo