From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jesse Gibbons Subject: Re: (Really) Free Software future Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 12:59:09 -0600 Message-ID: <22d4a960b7ee45c48dcff0ca7afa7d93cf2b81d0.camel@gmail.com> References: <20191009065352.GU8197@protected.rcdrun.com> <1c9dc59c-0594-6921-73e8-b173e558b5c3@vapaa.xyz> <20191010023714.GK20430@protected.rcdrun.com> <6343757.2cZvDvYTfs@pc-713> <20191010061705.GH27628@protected.rcdrun.com> <20191010070606.GW27628@protected.rcdrun.com> <8561e1505c3d90c4deb8bdbfb1a20dced6e96066.camel@gnu.org> <3fe3d102-194d-8872-61ef-45337357ca4a@vapaa.xyz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34548) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iK5Yu-00059H-51 for Guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 14:59:21 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iK5Ys-0002Rp-TJ for Guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Oct 2019 14:59:20 -0400 In-Reply-To: <3fe3d102-194d-8872-61ef-45337357ca4a@vapaa.xyz> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Alexander Vdolainen , psmith@gnu.org, svante.signell@gmail.com, Richard Stallman Cc: Guix-devel , gnu-system-discuss@gnu.org On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 21:32 +0300, Alexander Vdolainen wrote: > Hi, > > On 10/14/19 9:16 PM, Paul Smith wrote: > > On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 18:52 +0200, Svante Signell wrote: > > > On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 12:13 -0400, Paul Smith wrote: > > > > On Mon, 2019-10-14 at 12:07 +0200, Svante Signell wrote: > > (skipped) > > > For example, no aspect of either GNOME or systemd are proprietary, > > using the common meaning of the term. Also, "lock-in" usually refers > > to software that prevents users from switching to an alternative; GNOME > > and systemd are certainly not lock-in. > > I'm afraid but I cannot agree with that. Actually with systemd design > you have 'lock-in', because in some cases you need to modify a source > code to support systemd (or you will face something like this - > https://superuser.com/questions/1372963/how-do-i-keep-systemd-from-killing-my-tmux-sessions). > Also, a lot of system daemons has eaten by systemd (and to make it works > some forks were created like eudev). > Finally, correct me if I wrong, but GNOME 3.8 and newer requires systemd > to run, it's a lock-in isn't it ? I'm assuming by GNOME you mean gnome-shell. Please let me know if I'm incorrect. Guix has packaged gnome-shell 3.30.2 but has not packaged systemd. If systemd was a requirement for gnome-shell guix would have had to package systemd in order for gnome-shell to compile and/or work, by definition of requirement. gnome-shell builds and works just fine in guix. It follows that systemd is not a prerequisite for gnome-shell 3.30.2. Please consider this a friendly correction :)