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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1655039492; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=Vg4Ktl94zb6YNedtqVQovz/Q3zf49wGxb2BMX2Vqtzo=; b=A1X0dIORth/ZQfALfX0THms0Wohk/BCxawDUOhON2/u36LHlbMa4X1j4rkRJwDSX3aZ+t8 hm2/LDqhkCGAEITDrhWHrS4qQiubyoU2JzEQFQB/jVfjJM7NP72gZCpWgyLUM0KjuPSWto I1iGvgAFTurG7PDF7TOnFbT3cO+KBap/fTqhS7RRW7fs6bShR1h4bJmL6WppHJEQyC5y6r 6bVJ5mnMLGSlBho180aHrNtWZvDb/FlGXL8g3mLtJHyKmEstOVo4dF4lM1Rt6DLGZWNuN7 Jx7szhoyVYDisMeD4VfDi7Xb5Py5lq+0edvbAX4QGUqEvXnmh0FDB6ZHKWbm3g== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1655039492; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=U4nc7NxKcmrEhLl53/XjQ4YKIzISOg0QlHN90l8n0ZP9NmuGLQ19wzJc8Ms1dpca29aTza OwfcB0ekiNNjRCWtU2r7L/j1ZpsdCUzVxOYdTY36mrJtHVk7Ic1DB22y5NeeydQkOy6cUL fQstOe4lmE9M6B6NJrLwslPqqoQir9fkhNvt/cdBan8qhBuIDWWZ8fU4b3wc2FGRnVo2U0 iX3S2fUuCFs7iOJAW6yYSUDjheHpthqX36w7MOEyJGoMOljMjTAbBvpmsqLWu63RMIqUsd gC/ZoB8J++/quCUen2f8Ec3pW3ZGxbADJ135GI2hBavoP/TXM7YErLFo/JVUxg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=telenet.be header.s=r22 header.b=KcCXEwpc; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=telenet.be; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -8.09 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=telenet.be header.s=r22 header.b=KcCXEwpc; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=telenet.be; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 83AFC20A4D X-Spam-Score: -8.09 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 9CjT6sLLuSx7 --=-SAMVpEcnM9nt8FF3DuSF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Giovanni Biscuolo schreef op zo 12-06-2022 om 11:42 [+0200]: > > or have packages with bundled dependencies (e.g. vendored jars). >=20 > bundling binaries it's (is it?) for sure against the definition of a > reproducible build, but what about bundling (source) dependencies? >=20 > AFAIU not to bundle (source) dependencies is an additional Guix > requirement (and it is a Good Thing=E2=84=A2): do I miss something? FWIW, sometimes the bundled =E2=80=98source=E2=80=99 dependencies contain b= undled binaries of their own. So while AFAICT not strictly necessary for reproducible builds, unbundling =E2=80=98source dependencies=E2=80=99 makes= ensuring reproducibility(*) much more convenient. (*) i.e., the non-trivial kind of reproducibility, where things are actually built from source instead of copying binaries. > honestly I did not study all the reproducible-builds.org > documentation, > but it's impossible to me to understand how a packaged upstream jar > can be considered reproducible (and bootstrappable); maybe distros > like NixOS are still slowly transitioning to a full reproducible > build workflow? It's =E2=80=98reproducible=E2=80=99 in the trivial sense that you can =E2= =80=98reproduce=E2=80=99 a scientific paper by putting it a photocopier. That way, you can reproduce the results, but you cannot confirm whether these results were correct. 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