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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-to: Wojtek Kosior From: Wojtek Kosior via "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -8.84 X-Spam-Score: -8.84 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 605E967A29 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx12.migadu.com X-TUID: 0t2uwCI298vC --Sig_/bdqAy=wIJKpA0i6BL5=6UoQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I would offer a chronological list of my downloadable contributions to > Guix and place the following wording on top of the page: >=20 > "I disagree with the licensing model embraced by GNU Guix and hereby > release my contributions there under the CC-0 license. For convenience, > you can also use the patches below." Does this wording sound a bit too harsh on Guix or is it just my impression? Free software hackers do have my respect, even if their licensing ethics is slightly different than mine. > The hurdle is that as a Guix maintainer, I would not accept your > dual-licensing statements into my project. It's more or less the same hurdle as with the HR people. When someone is an idealist =E2=80=94 or just "weird" =E2=80=94 they often won't give even = a *chance* to *try* to prove being useful or good at sth. Us, free software folks, are notoriously marginalized and pushed into depression in these and other situation =E2=80=94 many of you surely experienced it. And it's extra hurtful when even offers of *unpaid* help get rejected (whoever offered to install a libre operating system on a friend's device, knows this). Now, should such marginalization be repeated even within the freesw circles? If it is harmful to block ppl from participating in the society using libre software (as universities, tax offices, etc. are doing) =E2=80=94 and one disapproves it =E2=80=94 then one will make effort= s to avoid similar harmful exclusions in one's own micro-society, right? Sadly, in the end those more idealistic risk more marginalization and therefore greater depression =E2=80=94 all while probably caring the most= =E2=80=A6 Since we're having this discussion just before holiday, let me finish with wishes of Merry Christmas. To everyone on this mailing list, regardless of how this discussion ends for us. I'll take this time as an opportunity for pray for all the Guixers to be saints o:) Best Wojtek -- (sig_start) website: https://koszko.org/koszko.html fingerprint: E972 7060 E3C5 637C 8A4F 4B42 4BC5 221C 5A79 FD1A follow me on Fediverse: https://friendica.me/profile/koszko/profile =E2=99=A5 R29kIGlzIHRoZXJlIGFuZCBsb3ZlcyBtZQ=3D=3D | =C3=B7 c2luIHNlcGFyYXR= lZCBtZSBmcm9tIEhpbQ=3D=3D =E2=9C=9D YnV0IEplc3VzIGRpZWQgdG8gc2F2ZSBtZQ=3D=3D | ? U2hhbGwgSSBiZWNvbWUg= SGlzIGZyaWVuZD8=3D -- (sig_end) On Fri, 22 Dec 2023 14:41:17 -0800 Felix Lechner wrote: > Hi Wojtek, >=20 > On Fri, Dec 22 2023, Wojtek Kosior wrote: >=20 > > I'm not sure how an "appropriate note" would look like. Where do you > > imagine it? =20 >=20 > I would offer a chronological list of my downloadable contributions to > Guix and place the following wording on top of the page: >=20 > "I disagree with the licensing model embraced by GNU Guix and hereby > release my contributions there under the CC-0 license. For convenience, > you can also use the patches below." >=20 > The hurdle is that as a Guix maintainer, I would not accept your > dual-licensing statements into my project. >=20 > > I believe we have ... different attitude to making use of legal force = =20 >=20 > You are probably right. I'm a complete pushover, especially in the > wintertime. >=20 > Kind regards > Felix --Sig_/bdqAy=wIJKpA0i6BL5=6UoQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEARYIAB0WIQTpcnBg48VjfIpPS0JLxSIcWnn9GgUCZYckmQAKCRBLxSIcWnn9 GhLcAQCRDSlxFRqVKme3wOEXWT17N8SNQY927CJ+hvpIGyXZSAD/db5ErM+ghHvv 5kRmaquCjV7XZbWP9e1/889SVge9fgI= =UltW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/bdqAy=wIJKpA0i6BL5=6UoQ--