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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.56 X-Spam-Score: -5.56 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 999CA46B2B X-Migadu-Scanner: mx2.migadu.com X-TUID: gIQMJCrhUobU Message-ID: <20230912161821.zcba0GLrqRRdRfEogdKF3NvrSoTJ0sH21E3EvkqClTc@z> On 9/8/23 2:37 PM, Ricardo Wurmus wrote: > > Liliana Marie Prikler writes: > >> Am Freitag, dem 08.09.2023 um 17:27 +0200 schrieb Ricardo Wurmus: >>> I have the same positive view on our faux ChangeLogs commit messages, >>> though I also would like to have them generated.  The benefit is >>> still there: I still get to *review* an effective summary of the >>> changes before pushing or sending them off for review.  But at least >>> I don’t have to write them myself. >>> >>> Now, this is no longer a problem for me because I’ve been writing so >>> many commit messages over the years (and because I no longer try to >>> adhere to some poorly specified format), but it *is* a problem for >>> people that I’ve mentored. >>> >>> etc/committer.scm and the yasnippets are supposed to alleviate some >>> of the pain, but I don’t need to think for a long time to come up >>> with a number of improvements in this area. >> Can I assume this to mean it'd take you some short time to think of >> snippets that we're currently lacking? If so, please do contribute >> them. If not, what do you mean then? > > I mean that they have plenty of defects. > > When I wrote the first few iterations of etc/committer.scm it was only > really meant and good for bulk package updates (= lots of changes across > files, all upgrades). It couldn’t (and maybe still can’t) reliably > detect added or removed package definitions. It doesn’t handle changes > to the arguments field. It’s also terribly slow because it naively > recomputes information for every hunk in the diff, reading package > definitions from the old vs the changed file after every commit. > > The update yasnippet repeatedly gets the order of lines wrong when > adding a patch to dist_patch_DATA in gnu/local.mk; it also doesn’t do > what etc/committer.scm is already able to do: detecting changes to > inputs. Configuring yasnippet is also not trivial for people who don’t > regularly use Emacs (the snippets are tied to modes set by magit). > > I think in light of these defects “Uhm, we have snippets?” isn’t a > satisfying response. Also, from my original message: I use the templates provided, but those don't cover all cases, and I've even gotten feedback in a review to change a message it created.