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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1665942933; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=4EB3XR96VxRITL0B0qKWiZ5iN1e8sTjZZAM5sCvXMcU=; b=BeYpjYsahb2n6hVFMZux/VQWMBHmEadRBHQoqh8ZJUdPRkYsb87u8xZ6G5i1VFwMRKVuhE S5xTTBPI6+rpoXpAAX5A9oh58mMX4xEIePy2yOE3Nq2xz+mvlRnlw3rm6XL17eLx81W3vG yqMpG6OXY83h4RaK7pt+CzJ7alh4ccnutzILtihbJ4QYyuufFYjokI+IMklAW3l6CiJOsr 7gq+4XoW+esV/GI11W8niQMjDOSMVqdM+fXy9gXFX27ZI1KZZ5Vmpg2bKpVErVMdSa4SvW yviYAjaOdZaNI5jTyVwcl3V9oRAVx64eT0MEMPawdwgIvC0Sqdhfubvj9s6TGQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1665942933; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=lDIKA/C1/ODGs1P4AUVcBYlvjZbW0h5xeugj1zjhyOTBv+ltZzw4NPHRNK7UyPLu8cmuiv AKBlHC796ehiJ3nAGAVNAvO2Q9l+beHkT6peytoUxdbt6ryPZit6CjV/BTBKfHowXcNUIj vj94b2DRI93lXH6F61eXxfO97n4dyNePm43UO1cnkCrjbKBaSy4op6rKFXK6qoS/gNPkcN KyDcsUCMRAOgEO3836zQ4b3ch1ZCHJh9UKlN7iGh8VOEpuqg4fiLwe7Xe8zIKtsE+53h2D Br2y6Bb9WtetYJNlhzGkd0UaBjSTRvbuQzRqwDkObe3GE4ZddTi3RRzivCITsA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=dismail.de header.s=20190914 header.b="rbZ s6Ov"; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=dismail.de; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.01 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=dismail.de header.s=20190914 header.b="rbZ s6Ov"; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=dismail.de; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: A63EB10BE7 X-Spam-Score: -5.01 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: rrvnP6sI2PN/ On Sun, 16 Oct 2022 15:11:38 +0200 Liliana Marie Prikler wrote: > Am Donnerstag, dem 13.10.2022 um 01:07 -0500 schrieb jgart: > #!/bin/sh > exec guix shell -m "$0" -- guile -e main -s "$0" "$@" > !# > > (define (main args) ...) > > ... > > (specifications->manifest ...) > > Of course, it'd be hell of a lot cleaner to separate manifest and > business logic, but who am I to stop you? Hi lilyp, Yup, the latter is what I'm proposing instead of implementing a goal for each lang à"ala carte" as a script for each project. That would be like implementing part of a build-system everytime when needed like we currently do when we needing to run pytest instead their being first class support like was being worked on in: https://github.com/guix-mirror/guix/tree/wip-python-pep517. I'd like for "goals" to have first class support like guix home configs, etc. do. But thanks for reminding us that we can just implement it directly as needed in a script for each project. That's a testament to the extensibility of Guix! > Of course, it'd be hell of a lot cleaner to separate manifest and business logic, but who am I to stop you? I just need to find the time to implement the framework/system and propose it again with a patch series ;() Not sure when that will be yet... all best, jgart