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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1662831543; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=gyYUu/B3hLHs2GwIeVotpro7yJ14X+C40IVKeG/VaVI=; b=eHHaFPE9mcxIFiI9lo3THSVJyCuGeE/7rStihlwf84tt/5zUA5x0S8iqmrHC1Hsqo5lkem 0uLoqcca+W2BifEcLTeMW04n7ABDCxHj8X6gGa2qCMBeOmfj7ZJ6jFBpPt0c18f5qHZ1YB TQ1YqF1PZBNK3SWxCYbEE4hP21FyAH+uQCzeTcH5qEgISZtUENKminYvlv+Q8t7z7kfMvd jiT0fUV0RS9D0zlKi0qSZxi0nx1tQfnXoj1PGfjqIpaRsf2jMS+/hs8z/PcSOmybc+kG6M JnVX0p/FEdA6KvjYMaqyzD9boFjgn/MYn6ShMWZHsO4NuJkWyIaLV3e4k8a83Q== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1662831543; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=RIqiEiN6T3spzBtQu6tePDh88w3k/28Quo/LWrhB/noeUX0cO2c0zSGJVlj1MncPaO2rVS bkuD9GFMYP0QQ9lWS8nScJF/DTAK9dcYV+FrDlCfx1jkTzHYnTt9tCOZMeQLocYDlvPjA2 jj5qYrTSF5Errawz/UlcH7Cktk0h/GB3ahLOdPT5HPDcF6GLl2ETn5lnWi9I4zn73fs7vy 2q35l1VpTURTZV3lx6zW0v2O827K0QULkAih/vqGIigHgmiPfYSwALfeFid7syWpo76DwZ TAfDlOmMTvuGkffkRu50xenLN0ylFIbogy+a2J7BmWltr7bQXu5g1rc8J1HG7A== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=dismail.de header.s=20190914 header.b="BnI ot5l"; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=dismail.de; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.89 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=dismail.de header.s=20190914 header.b="BnI ot5l"; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=dismail.de; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 8B8A925563 X-Spam-Score: -3.89 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: SciOASQwXLdl On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 18:17:50 +0200 Maxime Devos wrote: > > Caveat: the ‘examples’ and ‘benchmarks’ functionality is unlikely to be > implemented by me (even though they may be useful for development) as > they don't bring much value to Guix packaging. [insert the usual patches > welcome here] I'm mostly wondering how we would get the rust community to adopt our rust tooling for serious rust development. Do we expect rust people to use Guix for developing rust projects without cargo? Are there other package managers in the rust community that people are using besides cargo? I realize cargo has issues. I don't have a comprehensive list of them but I'm curious to find out more. Maxime, what have you researched with regards to cargo issues or where should I start studying up on that to get familiar with why antioxidant is needed? Is there a thread that introduces the need for a new rust build system and why? all best, jgart