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Message-ID: <86o7xi4e6l.fsf@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dutf-8 =20 Hi simon, > On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 at 10:33, Hartmut Goebel > wrote: >=20 > > Personally I tend to minimal. =20 >=20 > Me too. Being minimal is better on all aspects, IMHO. >=20 > The only drawback is indeed =E2=80=9Cguix shell -D=E2=80=9D. But, people= developing > can add the missing or extra packages. To me, Guix provides the > minimal environment for building and running one package. >=20 > Otherwise, we could imagine to create two packages. >=20 > However, there is no consensus about this =E2=80=9Cminimalism=E2=80=9D. = For instance, > some packages have multi-outputs which implies that =E2=80=9Cguix shell -= D=E2=80=9D is > not minimal. >=20 We could have packages recommend other packages to make this discovery easier for users, like Arch's opt-depends. > Cheers, > simon