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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1645470598; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=YUjFQk2CgkM7NMBWGIOu7i6B4RQnrBDqIbt7af0XVLY=; b=jsPzWAEulhLZtpM2VJZ3YsykwsRC8zkLSfv7pmemvkGIHOHg3eOtLfy/0RFzmsCW02+IR2 cCbpjnp5Y0YzZKzfDAFwRKbsJJJACjg/YlavaSQVXBtOAWu7oGVOCbLHznVOHChh2Gh61r SteBBCYIytli4wLoim+r5SCdR62k5gTb88v0UBL4X0CyxooQsONpgqJApzJ2fVZHsZye4Q lOglsk0F67hycrMLZko6txLnwmJM58zLWvL8gVYZCoFWe9w/kPEhjsfL0Fci5+xDtFce+c h1Xn40HJOJd6N6T0xLi7RG6a+//7crMSqkYzfUZapHLRU8qMiGIIWwJkP9xxvg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1645470598; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=Wn0JNfZMCRsFLYJq2x2mkLmtDQCDPcAQ5LPaHoty9YCvtNoaQFBVZv7hj1rMsVV+c0bMg/ 9Nz8ZvnhCnaNTGdc7Wv6BzCWYPYCMCa8xIGcegh+gfGWBJJBIWT0lTw8wbTZ1QwuIj8aKu cwEKpugMYcuBa43IYvSFSWcrW8mRl4xlLF+ZgwKJknUY69Ozy46nvMcNIozMok9ht2grKh LiviyZ0V58YRMhYKdzwiPa/mECDZGmIELRPKCE2COGcENs33cCYfDULOf96psBUw/OWO5x eXaJrWI+O4eZgZdHsn/I8mWx+cihc0cEyp7PgD1uXC3L4d0IvY4SKY6EX45z8A== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=o6rLXVly; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.43 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=o6rLXVly; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 37F74181D5 X-Spam-Score: -4.43 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: bxUW0now6eKn On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 11:41:23 +0900 Yasuaki Kudo wrote: > Or even better, create an alternative community of practitioners who=20 > don't give a damn (for their purposes)...=C2=A0=C2=A0 Let me know if other > people also want to create a corruption-admitted-community as well > =F0=9F=98=81.=C2=A0 We can work together.=C2=A0 -Yasu >=20 > On 2/20/22 11:33, Vagrant Cascadian wrote: > > Every now and then someone stumbles into #guix and ask questions > > that I've gleaned over time are off-topic (e.g. non-free software). > > While I have a pretty good idea what is appropriate for the > > channel, it is not clear to me where that is documentated. > > > > I figured maybe it is referenced in the code of conduct, but then I > > see no reference to the code of conduct on https://guix.gnu.org, > > although it is in the toplevel directory of guix.git as > > "CODE-OF-CONDUCT". > > > > Still, the CODE-OF-CONDUCT doesn't really say anything about what is > > on-topic for #guix on irc... > > > > It would be helpful to have a link to be able to point to more > > easily whenever either subjects come up in the irc channel, ideally > > somewhere a little easier to find. :) > > > > > > live well, > > vagrant =20 >=20 Something like that already exists for The Channel That May Not Be Named. By the way, I think it's kind of silly that that is completely banned from discussion. When I wanted help on getting my GPU to work, I mentioned for reference purposes that I tried the proprietary driver from The Forbidden Channel - and was subsequently warned that I must not do that. Which I find ridiculous. You can't even discuss results obtained by running closed source drivers and firmware, so how do you debug the libre firmwares and drivers, when you have nothing to compare against? Also, I think people who want to overwhelmingly use free software but need proprietary drivers for their computer to function should be offered better help than "buy a new computer". Currently I'm a mostly happy user of an AMDGPU based desktop, which lets me create creative commons artwork in Blender, that I would not be able to do without proprietary firmware. I think The Forbidden Channel should be raised to a status similar to the AUR: it's recognized and its existence is documented, but all responsibility is very explicitly disclaimed and support is relegated to special channels.