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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Bengt Richter Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, =?utf-8?B?U8WCYXdvbWly?= Lach Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1643383257; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post; bh=qp48DLVF0cayhYPpiM1hOsdb5fp9VHWtTG0u7Kc/BMU=; b=b2+Mt+FRonlvgiGLhMltIqvCLdWMrmB/UQ6JXzW35nC/712mkTWIo35+Fqs+1o5/t3Gc6V QKJE+JfZpzjDoSDNBcWFVucx05FnM1oXmORy95u6MUEVZsKICg9cAXgRAQw2da+dQL+iHs 900cu2B0xKkuwBXgjVRsJyc0chbCSVQ9HubC9k2uVuxQ6YuZmt4lG2ESIgeuBLMcgLigh2 cuX1e0EyXMekVq6PswARy7UvcSTlwwkPCh/gtuX1RHB9Vi+J//frM0dOAU3GvGC/tTy4Jy wdiQ7p8I9IUz69oCaFPI4/a2k106OS3ExN/g97uOz3f1zEeuHpbKaNspJIAlRQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1643383257; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=KVPDdIcUua9tg3S2vIcYGbf8c9UPVs6AqUB2ECNfpb+IPZIxbCj+9Ogo6KeCc7rIGwfIj3 j1yei7YVzWTY2Tb11cqNn34K1EeMVmg7paLWwBC92oWeUnbWiw6LOb20jsf9HzpE7EMXbL SSMYGINcewoFUvkcyohnPirUtgoNzjVdf3N8mY5RNkMlNKKya8DsliKuVWI+DXBhrLAF1U ubRvJxGstdw0TTIC2S8nXefOxdr5SoxEJHr8zpj9a9vhG3W4o7NCmT5wLLXLNV6OL+N1QR OeWHxYHLgW5MBeIa/eFcF4/Zsf6haxl2cw0QG2UJrYj1ha5rYB4uKShHA6Yi/w== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.43 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 9701D406FF X-Spam-Score: -3.43 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 2GCr+oYsZTzG On +2022-01-27 22:43:06 -0300, David Pirotte wrote: > > > ... > > What does "apt search guix" produce? > > (Nothing, on the puri.sm variant of debian. They maintain a custom > > pool based on debian minus what they want to exclude AIUI) > > fwiw, > > https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=guix&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all Yeah, forgot to mention: they don't _prevent_ you from doing anything you want -- in fact that's what they're about: to ensure that you (having the necesssary expertise or funds to hire it) _can_ control as near as possible everything your computer does, including (not quite all) IME firmware, bios, bootloaders and the whole chain onwards. OTOH they may not want to spend a lot of time helping you undo what you did to yourself by bypassing their packages and safeguards. They may instead suggest you install QubesOS and run iffy stuff (like guix, whose reproducibility unfortunately does not exclude reproducing bugs and vulnerabilities :) in a dom for untrusted sfw. Personally, I like simplicity best, so I am watching MES and RISC-V and hoping for a "stateless" laptop which will bootload _anything_ into memory from _anywhere_ -- and ask me (via trustable interface) if I like the sha256 it computed for the image just loaded. Bonus for asking me if I want it to check or add to white-list via secure protocol to USB goodie. With only hot-pluggable high speed disks, I can just with keep my precious stuff fully separate and unconnected while I take internet advice like "just run everything as root, it makes it so much easier for a newbie." ;-) I think SeaBIOS and a doctored kernel-independent grub can get close, but I want stateless with _all_ hot-pluggable hard disks, even if two (for raid or cloning) of them have convenience slots to hold them as cartridges. Dreaming on ... -- Regards, Bengt Richter