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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Bengt Richter Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, =?utf-8?B?U8WCYXdvbWly?= Lach Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1643326605; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=Y63Hb0KA3LHQiJBWYdw7HTSUpjJRQ142xnRw205JLLU=; b=aQ4EFer4XLS1550NEeiGg3EAemEGlttTBHt5pg01rTMYxpMf70B3o/IG+chSgf8ba18UuN Qf8BFRd6GhObbJ/mfXsuKWWn2bVKpJBg2xZP0GLm7Hy9iMDO19gq3LxPs9QMJB7kmLeXmC aqOaiP2oJs6NBpe9cNCrYHBpRrWG84SUtADOn/CCU02K0lJMDMcpqCKTX0HzDHkIzIrfZI zPQe5eaXPJ54tnrlPv4PFrZo48pXpHxqAdTpvql34gS2uEmDSy4lNXSPSTdg7dzKqcUHIz hVJNfol6MExEy1YjOIJkbVuq70/Z0D+rAkTB8TApOOoQyKBNtCavm8Fu+PKLew== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1643326605; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=M3CnqtOzgp55xRIHyOEYBFyRIJWQmbKLHCAfgARoR2Y9ag3WuZmq7VsjVrU4k+8NvgBTVK 4nT0H/rE4xoA9rcUBBp9S2hnDzGljYPHXtouqVtwDQ8TnIwXgJ1KqxSOBrCPOgK0m+e0/4 YIZkWW/IMNhuw5kJzojFoPdorgSJe4KC+npV7q0C4Y4d+BtRrLMX8s1Lc1JIgaVApSR3Ef WkerX/7pm8eYfi3F97zEHt/cNLMiOqZlmn4IdfZSBkew0tFS6GFkZQ61Ro5TIFx5K1zkJV KSxw5oFl5ce3nyem0nzEUa7I7C3MdPG1JnD0xfoxh03bbenPZcp/Nj6vHSTGAw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.13 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4F89DEC7A X-Spam-Score: -3.13 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: /N3rv4CVcwsk On +2022-01-26 23:42:05 +0100, Ricardo Wurmus wrote: > > Yasuaki Kudo writes: > > > Does Guix really run out of the box in Debian? > > > > I have never tried it but my friend Debian expert friend keeps telling me that: > > > > * Just apt-get installing Guix doesn't work > > How does “apt install guix” not work? There’s an older version of Guix > in Debian. After installing it “guix pull” should get the latest > version and it all works. > What does "apt search guix" produce? (Nothing, on the puri.sm variant of debian. They maintain a custom pool based on debian minus what they want to exclude AIUI) > There’s also an installer script at https://guix.gnu.org/install.sh > which skips the detour through apt and gets you the latest release > directly. > > > * and his really big complaint is evidently he creates "virtual > > environments" (short of full-on VMware, I imagine it is an assortment > > of Linux native tricks that are wrapped by tools like Docker) for > > every OS he tries but > > * Evidently the same tricks don't work with Guix > > Is this not *exactly* what “guix shell” (formerly “guix enviromnent”) > does? “guix shell -C” enters a container, even, using the same Linux > namespace mechanism that Docker wraps. > > > * He does not want to try full blown Guix OS without first testing it in above ways > > Guix can comfortably be used outside of Guix System. And you can > *still* use most “guix system” commands, e.g. to build containers or > virtual machines. > > -- > Ricardo > -- Regards, Bengt Richter