From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id YI0FIUANk2D/SwEAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Wed, 05 May 2021 23:25:20 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id qNWSHEANk2CdSgAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Wed, 05 May 2021 21:25:20 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09055110CE for ; Wed, 5 May 2021 23:25:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:55272 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1leP1D-0000Bw-3M for larch@yhetil.org; Wed, 05 May 2021 17:25:19 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40882) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1leOp8-0001tz-G4 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 May 2021 17:12:52 -0400 Received: from mx1.riseup.net ([198.252.153.129]:59910) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1leOp2-000562-DE for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 May 2021 17:12:49 -0400 Received: from fews1.riseup.net (fews1-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.83]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Fb8Yj0kRczF2vV; Wed, 5 May 2021 14:12:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1620249161; bh=PZJrhJndCet0l4DHB3lN5PtrlsbLZhTyBm4YDDXzG+g=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=rY1Q/M14kKkDY5Lmq5Tui8CK3+8OXVLSNVaH6tvBa7MOb+emzSOENucPswQtjsJU5 SvJ9kWfvkFlTcn8pEWfK2nkonFj44EBJBsYcVt8pTuUWS0ZLyzW8R/m3OxZXP3W3BG JCfu89vlClVLYXwqbcBtLjnrQcC+nlH7iN9WcIMs= X-Riseup-User-ID: 17CD008C19800D42BCB390C3B6A9BC774F9680E19C4F2EEF16F032650648F5D4 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Fb8Yg3s26z5vVf; Wed, 5 May 2021 14:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 5 May 2021 16:27:51 +0200 From: raingloom To: =?UTF-8?B?TMOpbw==?= Le Bouter Subject: Re: Leaving the GNU Guix community Message-ID: <20210505162751.07eee305@riseup.net> In-Reply-To: <4b0a5a3eee7f0c2cad7ede9b31fd6d5544c0dfad.camel@zaclys.net> References: <888c71d21bbbc8dc7e8b4d5396694c83@zaclys.net> <87a6pfqj0z.fsf@nckx> <4b0a5a3eee7f0c2cad7ede9b31fd6d5544c0dfad.camel@zaclys.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=198.252.153.129; envelope-from=raingloom@riseup.net; helo=mx1.riseup.net X-Spam_score_int: -12 X-Spam_score: -1.3 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12=1.543, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1620249920; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=PZJrhJndCet0l4DHB3lN5PtrlsbLZhTyBm4YDDXzG+g=; b=gPYprJ/76hxE4f1JNlum3Cfq4rtCtjadAaoG9HJodiBqty1yFppYlXm/pEr4jOsBBw9frs Wv/BaKLaKc5rwERZlwdKshsMbYRTA7eatEisLJtvmMM5zrJtBUVbCCWSVi3GYuX57NFGpL 5+yUnQcVhd2qyY3VP6f2FN8CiLnSLkY1eyKY1PgZ2gP2XdlWxyuL5DUk2L/qeiBOO/BYj+ K7Gsjo6R8vVLoEjUvsz0l/HmgwhWQpj2trHeF+ExLKV0vRGh/NcGB/fXdU9sOYkYfwLZcX sWQ8dZFGvVrFB5dk2pW9FKNCgULw/M9zo3pcxJnpLI2tIue2uommxCwVxvNWdA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1620249920; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=cTIrhDxlQxRcQzPCMRbTewzsASswIamm4n5oWNAK1BtHsqJBjAA+1RWWr2z9JAyK5YbxRN UtPeWkr57HnwEkVmRc9B/Aj0GjiI8QREcHBjzF3ke6gkPpV1ZTlG1iG94ncjhQx7PLAhJG Lf11mCSe1zOnQZDDv+0szJ4LO7+0GlLn4JhxtfBi5sjhsT01BW3uE9+VpA4/ub/hIksV6C O9Bj9f3xqMVVhG/W5IFzInC2DdM2frcPJzoyE9l2YC7a/DAGFMavEi0c22xH9cIAIPTEDt 6bDoHfHPDBnAnDELhtJngzEe3wGgP8DoK1Vj2Ic8eiIUFR3YXoTTfdAxaThy6A== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b="rY1Q/M14"; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=riseup.net (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.37 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail ("headers rsa verify failed") header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b="rY1Q/M14"; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=riseup.net (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 09055110CE X-Spam-Score: -1.37 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: hLnzoJ+s6kPB On Sat, 01 May 2021 19:47:40 +0200 L=C3=A9o Le Bouter wrote: > I think it is a disaster that you (maintainers) choose to blame > someone publicly for feeling so bad after having received messages of > exceptional aggressivity. Disclaimer: I only saw some of the relevant discussion, so, please don't shout at me or assume I'm saying this to hurt anyone. For what it's worth, blame-free security culture is possible. I was reading Google's Site Reliability Engineering stuff a few months ago, which - among other things - talked about exactly this. People need to feel like they can make mistakes without being attacked for them, otherwise they won't be open when they inevitably do mess something up. But I should add that if someone does mess up, it should not be controversial - to them or their team - to put more oversight on them. Anyways, I hope you'll stay, and that everyone will strive to make this an actually inclusive community.