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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Maxim Cournoyer , Raghav Gururajan , Sou Bunnbu , Leo Prikler , guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1619467876; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=WiGy0br0LTgd5S1oRBBfP4Ne4kuZgLvm041mE028fw4=; b=C7oknAFE2sQyvCK1bCRfGzzQic6i7X1Dw40wH+iq76DG4ZBdCQYBm7B54rI3u4WfLTeNXw UV0uVsrWRjM5uPTUGj918VyRtklLCocA9ZjdFRVzyOR96y2tmRa0ynIA+noYELnBb2m3Ex o+mbu+H+3vkzdFrYTmv4/GAfd91Ss/z0D3LMIzp55oeaq1ZHbeoXLhSLM3Lo0fzcHYv5Bb oJIdzo17SgYNrmMHZ6qSN0M1efK+qVtK668c+MkFcezhCH8D2P4AUmxnYv83XCUQJ4gOmd e3nMSpEgEWqM7tiMrZIv7WOB1qDfWZUwy3WAl/evLIFVHFQGmDulQqrrfutvKw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1619467876; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=TH8Y71QFMc9j2lfEEABuO5DgBdetAKDY4IflgxyX3W6FNHOepCZHMdDIyGmIdDQ3kdVn14 vT/1x3WkRraTeG/NktsyShU1AMCfovqFsCwydCt5rM4ZkArqAB6TvboBqlvKnULObvcWuy /Kj1++3ZbXAUYAD8uBooebPwh4XfholHHH3gCiEahwa0+YZw6j05CETCMuZUzMRYVqnps1 FtSZ7ojm0YacFAlKizgsMeDsSomTPfXbHmyQTiy73X7F+6S7OiYeZhLXjk3mp3T/lfiWnl 6Ir5bdO7a9QzX0w1uh4fCsYzfy4rHJHJzK3kEQB6a/8JGWaairZqQzkpY/7VrA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.95 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: E88A61684D X-Spam-Score: -0.95 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: LMjp3zJctzsI On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 07:21:14PM +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > Hi Léo, > > Tobias Geerinckx-Rice skribis: > > >> https://git.sr.ht/~lle-bout/guix/commit/a045a48dd961f0c5c3d536dcc3fd21d9c08d2d50 > >> https://git.sr.ht/~lle-bout/guix/commit/6477daa338fbf1c9edacfc3690aca77cacfe0008 > >> Can you please explain what went wrong here? To be honest, I think Leo and Raghav have been pretty clear. They made a mistake and that can happen to all of us. Now before this thing goes off the rails we should also recognise that everyone is different. Which is really something to celebrate. Everyone on this thread has made great contributions in a highly diverse environment to GNU Guix and that is what matters, really. We should also recognise that some people may be blunt and direct and even personal. I don't think that is bad. It may not always be nice and it may hurt our goals of being inclusive, but then there may be a cultural component too. What is honest and meaningful to one may be perceived as hurtful by another. It is somewhat unavoidable in an international social experiment. Personally I shut up on disagreement, as these E-mails live much too long. Ricardo wrote a great E-mail early in this thread. I suggest we bury the hatchet and move forward. It is clear to me that Leo and Raghav mean well, won't make the mistake again, and this is taking too much energy from everyone. Pj.