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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1616425497; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=VWJpWImScfKteouKDyZepMDZPzm/Mw3x1oAT3vdJK9E=; b=kYsIQhlJCyO3oImN9PKkjoTLM7qQ6QcNpqV7eEh6Xd1OOdp+WxRIuWyWvvcRViAwSivrIC ukv38XvNundFO3ZZeozrZ7LcxRrDb4G8to5uqzxLPBNvehPR5SL7pAgMAUAc+BoWDxkFfW xMkzRhlQnMZHRttaQXxkqSMLTxF5oyaSLVoaeFcQTDlrf8+HuxoXR54i2IT6HCvWFeA6xg yYnWt2rJBMPIGQJD83Hsb1UCKI64kKvYMKIIiKpil0OpOldtltj0cugZoSttIHOv1uAyPT lfAfDsK4bUgfEk3ojycP+yXhD/P9ooWpGlj0q8gZoICzbFF+wQE2bnPyMSKsmQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1616425497; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=KmlDoskTnRVEtHKSk+a+kCZ0t5yNN1RWmaaPxvQ/5JnBh+HOzjRcvPDMU1w3O7BbDjh68W VP2ybPHDo4pNnMi8efQt/egMm0bD1gpME4Zk5r/1i1ej9Q/K0WT9aZ9McGif2YwniUb1xI ZAy0wA4anxnR/JIHBDtPcFGILqhBHWpoQh+wdAZlxfWQ4OBXGV9w1XcAst+qsr6N0fgCIX BpwKHtGpZevdwUtI2onVnIrp3pZh9s7QIl2U+VrrDfQ5QILnAbxpYxfRNDayCP2+NeW9mL oh5sUa14DS1K0Odk8hVBXRhvD8eAXU6jpfzId2wGAJTKn1gLvCX4VvmVBrEUQw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=C2CjvsTb; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.68 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=C2CjvsTb; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 854F7F6CE X-Spam-Score: -3.68 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 64oHmnkljPHP On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 12:19:11 +0100 Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: > Hi, >=20 > Mark H Weaver skribis: >=20 > > Ultimately, I gave up. In my opinion, Guix has never achieved > > usability as a desktop system on non-Intel systems. Therefore, the > > Guix community is unable to attract many developers who want a > > distro that supports non-Intel systems well. Our community has > > thus become dominated by Intel users, and there's unsufficient > > political will to adopt policies that would enable us to provide a > > usable system for non-Intel users. =20 >=20 > A practical problem that=E2=80=99s been mentioned repeatedly is lack of > ci.guix hardware for non-Intel architectures: please everyone, > consider helping the project find either sponsors or companies that > sell fitting hardware, along with a plan to host it and maintain it > over time! >=20 > Ludo=E2=80=99. >=20 What about a Liberapay for Guix? Could also be used to pay developers.