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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Bengt Richter Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -0.85 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 9299C9403AA X-Spam-Score: -0.85 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: qE25cJtcmbOz O Ye of little Faith, please read: https://puri.sm/posts/the-future-of-software-supply-chain-security/ (It really is worth a read ;) On +2020-12-31 14:53:24 -0500, Leo Famulari wrote: > Hi Josh, > > I'm replying off-list, because this subject has been discussed soooo > many times without reaching a different conclusion, and because I worry > about starting a flamewar on the mailing list. > > On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 02:12:16PM -0500, Josh Marshall wrote: > > So a separate channel would work for non-free software? I know the stuff > > is fundamentally gross. I'd still like to have a better way to get out of > > an ecosystem that is basically entirely all non-free software and a > > transition to fully free becomes possible. > > If we think about free software in terms of the "4 freedoms" [0], > channels are a fully-supported way to help people take advantage of the > "zero-eth freedom", which is the freedom to use the software (Guix) as > one sees fit. > > Personally, I think that ensuring an operating system is 100% free > software (and with no DRM support) hampers the success of the free > software movement by driving away users. > > If we lived in a world with free software support for common hardware > (ahem, WiFi, Bluetooth, LTE) and for popular software use cases (popular > games and apps, commercial and educational software), then offering a > totally free system would be a viable approach. > > But, that world doesn't exist. Even though some people who are happy to > use 10+ year old computers for very limited use cases might think it > does... many of them don't even use mobile phones... they don't > understand contemporary computing at all, from a practical perspective. > > Nevertheless, the GNU Guix project has made a commitment to working > within the FSDG, and we are basically stuck with it barring some > cataclysmic change. > > I think that maintaining a harmonious atmosphere within Guix will help > it continue to grow, and channels can satisfy the need for things that > don't fit the FSDG. If Guix becomes large enough, it could be > transformative for the free software movement. > > [0] > https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html -- Regards, Bengt Richter