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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail (headers rsa verify failed) header.d=interia.pl header.s=biztos header.b=ZBg98XGd; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 5.79 X-TUID: eT8vEKT+eBqA Dnia 2020-11-18, o godz. 20:17:54 Ryan Prior napisa=C5=82(a): > On November 18, 2020, Pierre Neidhardt wrote: > > aviva writes: > > > > > nobody i know uses it.=C2=A0 without a community of users, it has no > > purpose > > > > There must always be a first user ;) >=20 > I use Jami regularly with a few adventurous friends who like peer-to- > peer things. We often have to fall back to another video system like > Jitsi to finish our calls, but keep returning for more punishment > because we believe in the dream. >=20 > I have been specifically burned before by the Jami package in Guix. It > hasn't played well with other Jami software; I started having better > luck when I switched to using the Debian package. But if you get the > Together release working well I'm absolutely down to give it another > shot! Remember you can always let me know if something doesn't work with my package on this mailing list. I've never had luck with Jami to be honest and bringing the package to the point where it is now was about 7 months of building it on my core 2 duo system, finding bugs, missing dependencies, irreproducible bugs, etc. Stupid "DNDEBUG" flag pushed me into another months of trying to figure out why audio calls were crashing. Did you try Jami from Guix before or after my updates? I mostly started maintaining this package because it was 1. broken 2. building it from source on a different distro gave strange effects. Generally speaking I witnessed Jami (then Ring) going from absolutely broken, unusable software to the point I can use it to chat with friends, send files, etc. The last year of development fixed many disgusting bugs. Also remember that buggy routers and the unholy invention called NAT has a big part of making Jami and generally p2p applications less usable. Jan Wielkiewicz