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From: Danny Milosavljevic <dannym@scratchpost.org>
To: "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: A plan for parameterized packages
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 21:46:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201115214658.41223d15@scratchpost.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87eeku8trb.fsf@gnu.org>

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Hi Ludo,

nice feature!

On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 17:33:28 +0100
Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> wrote:

> An important question: do we have examples of packages for which we’d
> like to have parameters?

For the embedded/flash rom side:

* Enable/disable building the documentation.  I really don't need a 40 MiB
manual stored onto a 16 MiB firmware flash chip.  If that's better done as an
extra output, fair enough.

* Enable/disable obscure dependencies: Library packages that pull in 400 MiB Qt
into the closure for a thing no one (TM) uses should probably provide a switch to
disable that GUI.  Sometimes a package provides multiple GUIs for different
toolkits, in which case one should be able to choose one toolkit and not
build for the others.

* No, even in 2020, I won't start using AmigaFS, NFSv3 and whatever old
protocol/format is still around and superseded by other protocols.

The gexp-functionality of being able to select individual files of a package
is already very useful for use cases an embedded developer would have
(and that's there for a long time already).  So that's nice!

For the kind of feature flags I have in mind, it usually means I don't want
to have the feature *anywhere*--for example, if I don't want to have Qt or
Kerberos or whatever, that's because I want to save the space and thus
it should be able to be *globally* specified--at least per profile.

It doesn't help one bit for space savings if package A doesn't pull in
Kerberos or latex or or Haskell bindings for a Raspberry Pi serial port
library (guess why that's oddly specific ;) ), but package B does.

However, sometimes using static libraries is better and there's no reason to
build the shared libraries.  But that's very much local to whatever I'm
trying to do (at least local to a profile if not package).

I would advise against doing a grep -r -- --enable and introducing all those
as parameters.  Rather I would check the closure of stuff and if the closure
goes from 1200 MiB to 50 MiB, chances are a parameter would be nice there :)

I guess the kind of flags I envision would be set at profile level.

From experience with Gentoo before I can tell you that the combinatory
explosion is a real problem and most of the "more advanced" (toggled more
switches :) ) combinations did not work the majority of the time.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-11-15 20:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-15 16:33 A plan for parameterized packages Ludovic Courtès
2020-11-15 17:30 ` Nicolò Balzarotti
2020-11-15 17:40   ` Nicolò Balzarotti
2020-11-15 17:44   ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-11-15 18:09     ` zimoun
2020-11-16 11:50     ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-11-16 12:03       ` Pierre Neidhardt
2020-11-16 14:05         ` zimoun
2020-11-15 17:37 ` zimoun
2020-11-16 11:54   ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-11-15 18:51 ` Taylan Kammer
2020-11-15 20:46 ` Danny Milosavljevic [this message]
2020-11-15 21:16   ` zimoun
2020-11-16 11:25     ` Make mutiple packages from outputs (Was: A plan for parameterized packages) 宋文武
2020-11-16 14:53       ` Make mutiple packages from outputs Ludovic Courtès
2020-11-16 15:10       ` Make mutiple packages from outputs (Was: A plan for parameterized packages) zimoun
2020-11-15 21:24   ` A plan for parameterized packages raingloom
2020-11-16  1:54     ` Ryan Prior
2020-11-16  5:38       ` Clozure size zimoun
2020-11-18  1:30     ` A plan for parameterized packages Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
2020-11-20 11:39       ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-11-20 14:38         ` zimoun
2020-11-20 19:44         ` Christopher Baines
2020-11-16 14:51   ` Ludovic Courtès
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-11-17 14:25 Stephen Christie
2020-11-17 15:31 ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-11-17 18:13   ` Stephen Christie

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