From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id qQHzFDperF84IAAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 21:57:14 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id cHJ2EDperF/OCAAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 21:57:14 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5DD6940222 for ; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 21:57:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:46862 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kcy76-00079s-LO for larch@yhetil.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 16:57:12 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46414) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kcy6w-00079j-RD for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 16:57:02 -0500 Received: from smtpo.poczta.interia.pl ([217.74.65.153]:42838) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kcy6t-0007xY-Sg for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 16:57:02 -0500 X-Interia-R: Interia X-Interia-R-IP: 89.64.43.25 X-Interia-R-Helo: Received: from localhost (89-64-43-25.dynamic.chello.pl [89.64.43.25]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by poczta.interia.pl (INTERIA.PL) with ESMTPSA; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 22:56:54 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2020 22:56:47 +0100 From: Jan Wielkiewicz To: Pierre Neidhardt Subject: Re: Latest Nyxt features a GUI for Guix :) Message-ID: <20201111225647.4806c661@interia.pl> In-Reply-To: <87d00jhhbm.fsf@ambrevar.xyz> References: <875z6chs6a.fsf@ambrevar.xyz> <20201111182110.781a8255@interia.pl> <87d00jhhbm.fsf@ambrevar.xyz> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Interia-Antivirus: OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1605131814; bh=+UlOXzPOgvUwAR23ChRjMSETkVw0V/s30OOz5+orCoM=; h=X-Interia-R:X-Interia-R-IP:X-Interia-R-Helo:Date:From:To:Cc: Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Interia-Antivirus; b=BRA22xruv2+j3XYqWS81oI4eehlYg7bhm28DwEYJfHi4sqh7bKXsSFhh8WbxEu0Ox TnzU9IjEgNjQntH/Pw29CuIv2cFWyu3jIYaWOzZM9DqEKMlg2tGJAL/QKVVs/iUK2X kz5IxK+IL7if1D92WLjUjfZ5D5bbvUXwO/cYIvas= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.74.65.153; envelope-from=tona_kosmicznego_smiecia@interia.pl; helo=smtpo.poczta.interia.pl X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/11/11 16:56:55 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x (no timestamps) [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=interia.pl header.s=biztos header.b=BRA22xru; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.21 X-TUID: 2mroaF5FRkSg Dnia 2020-11-11, o godz. 19:35:57 Pierre Neidhardt napisa=C5=82(a): > Hi Jan, >=20 > Jan Wielkiewicz writes: >=20 > >> I've just updated the Nyxt package to 2-pre-release-4 which > >> includes a package manager GUI that supports Guix! > > Did you and a GUI for the package manager into the browser...? :) >=20 > Sorry, what did you mean? :) Sorry for I-had-a-stroke message. I often build my sentences non-linearly and end up with sliced streams of consciousness. What I was supposed to write: "Did you add a GUI for the package manager into the browser...? :)" > > I mean it's good to have a GUI for Guix, but isn't this against so > > called "UNIX Philosophy" or modularity, saying more precisely? >=20 > What is against the Unix philosophy? I don't really like the term, because it became a buzzword recently, but generally what I mean is building a program on top of a giant framework such as a web browser isn't the best desing choice. I think programs should be build in the modular fashion, so each element is easily replaceable. I believe web browsers tend to do many things and do them badly - they're a really poorly designed copy of operating systems and its utilities. I guess your choice comes from the lack of a proper GUI toolkit available, but I'm just not a big fan of web browsers generally. In fact I started writing my own GUI toolkit/application framework in Guile just for the purpose of bringing modularity to GUI applications, but I'm rather unexperienced and this might take a few years.=20 > I don't think GUIs are against anything. This GUI I've worked on a > merely an interface, it does nothing but use the Guix API. The first sentence made my point not clear - I have nothing against GUIs. > It makes searching and install/uninstall and generation delete > operations very convenient. Everything is much easier when you have > an interactive minibuffer with live fuzzy search ;) That's good, I just don't understand why in the web browser. I'll try it. > Cheers! >=20