From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id reAaCgYam1//WgAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 19:37:42 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id ANOkBQYam1+FHQAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 19:37:42 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6DD6D9402B5 for ; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 19:37:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:50108 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kYDjw-0008J5-9k for larch@yhetil.org; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 15:37:40 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41716) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kYDhG-0006Yu-Vl for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 15:34:56 -0400 Received: from dd26836.kasserver.com ([85.13.145.193]:59280) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kYDhE-0004m5-96 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 15:34:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (80-110-126-103.cgn.dynamic.surfer.at [80.110.126.103]) by dd26836.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4C8F03361592; Thu, 29 Oct 2020 20:34:40 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 20:34:33 +0100 From: Danny Milosavljevic To: guix-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Guix Front End (GUI) and making it more mainstream, popular in scientific community. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.11 X-TUID: 4BIGs43dHqgb --Sig_/j6GAoF7unnLoaum7tDBTy6i Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello everyone, On Thu, 29 Oct 2020 21:55:10 +0530 Aniket Patil wrote: >If we build a GUI frontend then we can attract more > people who don't identify themselves with CLI users. As such there are ma= ny > people like writers, Graphic Designers, General users, etc. who don't > bother about CLI, will love to see such a package manager. And consideri= ng > the fact GUIX lets rollback to the previous version of the package it will > be very helpful in the scientific community, to maintain and work with > different versions of packages. I've got one at https://gitlab.com/daym/guix-gui/ . As of commit 978f7d92b4486829fd4f5030baf2d42c001b0890 (current master), guix-gui works well enough that you can see the current profile, you have (slow) tooltips, you can type to search, you can view the previous generati= on, and you can get a list of all installable packages in Guix. Not much more works yet because I've hit this (design) bug in Guix and/or G= NOME: * https://github.com/spk121/guile-gi/issues/96 I hadn't noticed before just how bad a match Guix's private dependencies (w= hich I think are a good thing) and GNOME's object system is (see link above). > P.S: I don't know whether GUI for Guix exists or not, to my knowledge it > doesn't. If I am mistaken please enlighten me on this topic. It does kinda exist--but working on GUIs in Guile is like pulling teeth. I'm used to seamless integration like PyGTK is in Python--PyGTK feels EXACTLY like a native Python library. You can't tell that it's implemented in C at all. The way it is in Guile is not seamless. Furthermore, there are fundamental problems in how the package "gobject-introspection" is designed (see link above)--so I can't see how this can be resilient or consistent at all. (Also, I've used Delphi before--that's basically the holy grail of GUI development. That doesn't help making me less grumpy using this contraption string-and-duct-tape barely-holding-together contraption instead) In any case, with all the involuntary yak-shaving I have to do it's gonna take a while. Or I could just use Gtk in C and use popen("guix ..."). --Sig_/j6GAoF7unnLoaum7tDBTy6i Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEds7GsXJ0tGXALbPZ5xo1VCwwuqUFAl+bGUoACgkQ5xo1VCww uqUOWgf+KU6IBsaFkotNgs14w8AtR9yI5FYH4fHtXN2FobyuPwwVR9rlgij9E2Tu Sb8uAtSZGivBkK1R/SurBSmTmuzzb3z7GscR8X55uuywV9Qpfrp3hzWaZY01NHgE LNmYWO+f5XAYgMDDX2M58s9EB2kjnuWYOvsZgGPxjnINtLqQLBYswUIypaAcwWi7 R6xqxDbYaBBBhlu8aDl1qgE+dhI5wQp6czhtvuJPrQCtzxn/Nfggf/Uaz9y+rgtb t0xlxlTQ0+QP0dvUF54ZCRLcFZGYStmO8T9cCbu5dYG6Woku2Im1ZxzSyMjPI/Je iKjv6X7sVNK8I3ofABwn7h5+LSMlYg== =vizv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/j6GAoF7unnLoaum7tDBTy6i--