From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp2 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id kIVfEtYImV9edwAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 05:59:50 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp2 with LMTPS id hKQZDtYImV9EQwAAB5/wlQ (envelope-from ) for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 05:59:50 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB90A9404C5 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 05:59:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:49144 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kXeUu-0005Li-8c for larch@yhetil.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 01:59:48 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38128) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kXeTz-0005L3-AV for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 01:58:51 -0400 Received: from mail.thebird.nl ([94.142.245.5]:33510) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kXeTx-0001js-3b; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 01:58:50 -0400 Received: by mail.thebird.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DE4C86AE0; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 06:58:45 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 06:58:45 +0100 From: Pjotr Prins To: zimoun Subject: Re: Advantages over Nix? Message-ID: <20201028055845.m25ehnm65wvshjbm@thebird.nl> References: <87blgpl9g5.fsf@gmail.com> <878sbtuyhq.fsf@gnu.org> <560d21cf-d8a9-6bdb-b61c-92e72333a730@gmail.com> <87ft607e1t.fsf@gnu.org> <20201027103520.gz53vlymc5nazzby@thebird.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=94.142.245.5; envelope-from=pjotr2020@thebird.nl; helo=mail.thebird.nl X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/28 01:58:46 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: guix-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Guix Devel Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.01 X-TUID: N8YYRjODmRtP On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 02:14:18PM +0100, zimoun wrote: > Let's pick an example: the sources.json file ingested by Software > Heritage. Basically, Guix does that when building its website and the > relevant Scheme code is here: > > > > Nothing more. Compare to what Nix does: > > > > so pieces of Nix DSL which generates files that are parsed by Python > and then glued with Shell. Thanks Zimoun. In a nutshell :). I am convinced that the reason that Guix is moving fast is not that the community consists of a bunch of geniuses, but that the code base is terse and many people in this community understand the code base to a large degree quickly and can contribute. Of course I don't want to downplay genius - some of it there is in a massive project like this. I also think that the choice of being a true free software project is very important. It is a long term force driving the project forward to a future where we have free hardware and free software as choice for all things. We have our first RISCV board up and running, if anyone is interested... Pj.