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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" X-Scanner: scn0 X-Spam-Score: 0.99 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail (rsa verify failed) header.d=pelzflorian.de header.s=mail header.b=Is5eCdpy; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org X-Scan-Result: default: False [0.99 / 13.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; GENERIC_REPUTATION(0.00)[-0.54016473363507]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.51.188.0/24:c]; R_DKIM_REJECT(1.00)[pelzflorian.de:s=mail]; DWL_DNSWL_FAIL(0.00)[209.51.188.17:server fail]; IP_REPUTATION_HAM(0.00)[asn: 22989(0.07), country: US(-0.00), ip: 209.51.188.17(-0.54)]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[pelzflorian.de:-]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MX_GOOD(-0.50)[cached: eggs.gnu.org]; MAILLIST(-0.20)[mailman]; FORGED_RECIPIENTS_MAILLIST(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:22989, ipnet:209.51.188.0/24, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[larch=yhetil.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[pelzflorian@pelzflorian.de,guix-devel-bounces@gnu.org]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[pelzflorian.de]; HAS_LIST_UNSUB(-0.01)[]; DNSWL_BLOCKED(0.00)[209.51.188.17:from]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[209.51.188.17:from]; FORGED_SENDER_MAILLIST(0.00)[] X-TUID: BviCOZ/GqsFN On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 03:27:29PM +0200, Mathieu Othacehe wrote: > A way to move forward with the installer could be to propose an ISO > image starting a desktop-environment by default. […] Thank you for investigating. I suppose keyboard input method (IME) support is a reason why someone might wish to use an Xorg-based installer. Are there other reasons? What are the reasons for a real desktop environment; is the goal to offer a live image? Previously I would have thought a virtual console is more likely to work everywhere, but kmscon has the same requirements as Xorg and without kmscon we’d lose i18n. Regards, Florian