From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bengt Richter Subject: Re: Guix System video review on YouTube Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 13:04:49 +0200 Message-ID: <20200428110449.GA8731@LionPure> References: <855dde2f-a7c7-d6e4-b649-a3bae60f99cb@web.de> <6222f23d-3e9e-5f47-f415-488bc18cbb1f@web.de> <20200428023239.155844b9@riseup.net> Reply-To: Bengt Richter Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47718) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTO33-0003dq-7F for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 07:05:09 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTO31-0000sS-Fb for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 07:05:08 -0400 Received: from imta-38.everyone.net ([216.200.145.38]:54696) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jTO30-0000jq-RS for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2020 07:05:07 -0400 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200428023239.155844b9@riseup.net> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: raingloom Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org On +2020-04-28 02:32:39 +0200, raingloom wrote: > On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 12:11:05 +0200 > Jonathan Brielmaier wrote: > > > $ echo "hello" > > hello > > $ guix install emacs > > > > Then while installing emacs, try to reach the hello. It will be tricky > > as every new output line from `guix install emacs` will reset you to > > the bottom of your terminal. That's annoying. > > > > This is not related to the distribution, it's a terminal emulator > default. The behavior is the same in every other distribution I've used. > If they think this is a bad default, they should write on the > terminal emulator's bug tracker. > > But then again, you usually want new (possibly quite important) > messages to catch the user's attention, so I'd say it's a good default. > > Anyways, the option is trivial to change in the settings. You don't > even have to look too hard. > > > So I would propose an interface like: > > $ guix search vim > > | Name | Synopsis | Version | Outputs > > | > > +---------------+--------------------------------+----------+---------+ > > | vim | Text editor based on vi | 8.2.0411 | out > > | | vim-airline | ... [...] > > Please don't, ASCII formatting always messes things up. Use the > terminal for text. If you want a more visual package manager, don't use To me it looks like he *is* using a terminal to get the above :) (or faking it from some re-purposed console cli sql output snippet?) > a CLI tool. A proper GUI will be more accessible. > By "proper" you mean browser-presented html/javascript ? ;-) > As one example, ASCII formatting makes screen readers a lot harder to > use. I don't think that has to be so :) > -- Regards, Bengt Richter