From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jan Subject: Re: Proposal for Outreachy (May-August 2020) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 16:05:23 +0100 Message-ID: <20200108160523.60f1e4f6@kompiuter> References: <20200107190658.5f35fcbe@kompiuter> <229482977533dfdcef5a2d60bbc94aee@disroot.org> <4961cfee44055bbb285157a76158f274@disroot.org> <8d6e8525703d214f1e4e28dd1afb654e@disroot.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46457) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ipCtz-0000Oe-Bs for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2020 10:05:44 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ipCtx-0003FO-Sr for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2020 10:05:43 -0500 Received: from smtpo.poczta.interia.pl ([217.74.65.236]:51769) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ipCtx-0003CP-8b for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2020 10:05:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: <8d6e8525703d214f1e4e28dd1afb654e@disroot.org> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Raghav Gururajan Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org On Wed, 08 Jan 2020 07:06:26 +0000 "Raghav Gururajan" wrote: > Hello Jan! > > Yeah, I am too disappointed by some or half of the things they > incorporated into the project. The thing is, I want to bring more > newcomers of GNU+Linux System into Guix. I would like to see Guix > being deployed as mainstream system for domestic and commercial > purposes. For domestic users, there is a high requirement for > graphical interfaces. Unfortunately, currently we have only GNOME and > KDE as full-blown desktop environments. They both have similar issues > regarding software freedom and software creep. GNOME Software, > QtWebKIT etc. Also. they both are tightly integrated redhat creeps > such as network-manager, pulseaudio, dbus and systemd. The only > reasons for me to lean towards GNOME over KDE, is that 1) Being GNU > Project (hope it stays) 2) Being GTK based (shared dependency with > most other free softwares). > Okay then, if it is going to help promoting Guix, I'm okay with this. > > I also see another light. Enlightenment. The EFL library is > independent of gnome, kde and redhat related stuffs. It has systemd > only as optional dependency. Also uses connman over network-manager. > May there is some hope here. Once Enlightenment grows into drop-in > replacement of GNOME or KDE. I will definitely be shifting my focus > from GNOME to Enlightenment. > I found it a bit strange, guess I'll have to write my own DE anyway :) > > I love the design principles of Xfce. Modularity and re-usability. > The only downside I face with Xfce are 1) Depends on GNOME stuff, > dbus etc. 2) Not as feature-rich as GNOME or KDE. Anyway, Xfce is > good light-weight DE fpr new-comers. That's why Xfce is still on my > hope list. > Understandable. > > Let's not constrain ourselves by stating something as just > opinion. :-) The matters you mentioned are real issues and factually > causing trouble in software freedom. :-) > What I meant by this is I can't really make decisions for the whole community, because I'm just a package maintainer. But you're right those are serious issues. > Regards, > RG. Jan Wielkiewicz