From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Efraim Flashner Subject: Re: Proposal for Outreachy (May-August 2020) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 12:40:52 +0200 Message-ID: <20200108104052.GA3568@E5400> References: <229482977533dfdcef5a2d60bbc94aee@disroot.org> <4961cfee44055bbb285157a76158f274@disroot.org> <20200107190658.5f35fcbe@kompiuter> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50879) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ip8mG-0006GQ-Mu for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2020 05:41:29 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ip8mF-0004EP-JK for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2020 05:41:28 -0500 Received: from flashner.co.il ([178.62.234.194]:49972) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ip8mD-0004CA-Ph for guix-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jan 2020 05:41:26 -0500 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200107190658.5f35fcbe@kompiuter> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Jan Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jan 07, 2020 at 07:06:58PM +0100, Jan wrote: > Hi! >=20 > On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 11:32:10 +0000 > "Raghav Gururajan" wrote: >=20 > > Hello Guix Folks! > >=20 > > 1) Improve GNOME Software Stack and GNOME Desktop Environment's > > user-experience in Guix. > >=20 > In my opinion we should stay away from GNOME, because it is a Red Hat > project, rather than GNU now. More than this, GNOME makes some bad for > user freedom decisions, for example they promote nonfree software in > their "Software" application. They also promote nonfree services such as > Facebook, Google mail, etc. in their "Online accounts" application. > They also make some poor design decisions such as adding support for > flatpak, which is going to have support for "paid", which most > probably means nonfree applications and they add more and more > systemd-only features (systemd's problem is feature creep, software > bloat, uncooperative developers and merging projects into systemd, > without any reason). > That's why I would like to see XFCE being improved rather than > GNOME. > Ideally both GNOME and XFCE should work well on Guix, but if we have to > choose between those two, I vote for XFCE. >=20 > But that's my private opinion, it'd be better, if Guix maintainers told > what they think about it. >=20 For better or worse Gnome is the dominant desktop in the GNU/Linux market space and we do have it packaged and offer it as part of our default desktop example. Furthermore Raghav has already been working on making Gnome better in Guix. As far as the privacy concerns, those can be addressed on a package-by-package basis but shouldn't be cause to skip it entirely. --=20 Efraim Flashner =D7=90=D7=A4=D7=A8=D7=99=D7=9D = =D7=A4=D7=9C=D7=A9=D7=A0=D7=A8 GPG key =3D A28B F40C 3E55 1372 662D 14F7 41AA E7DC CA3D 8351 Confidentiality cannot be guaranteed on emails sent or received unencrypted --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCgAdFiEEoov0DD5VE3JmLRT3Qarn3Mo9g1EFAl4VsbAACgkQQarn3Mo9 g1FoBg/+MMipFFtEJT/8NirxT1LbtHA0m2quUdbn59Hl1AM4PnazhseW2gjc3Fa/ 0bGjc+0TOFvLQ7K0EDr1G6i9JAy53PZbyrJseNdA5zV3YfUppA8+Ze5pypMpyZho lB5aq3PH1yc4Z8B1huMW/hzJw8iWPudUWj1LBF0j1XKoxjkytgiueWdQljPxBzMg yFxPmGUgFPjj6OPiseu2ma0ZR3LV2St6fmJQzITQL/hwuE81Skks+FDCb+WwJ1Qm 10FaZrxy8lIi3x0UqfVihupBLm/o4qaeO5jixVplxVsd4KNJ0023NtsXSYWMjIBb M6j0vvBn4GHQ2g1YhGN6fSbR4cP9WOtnC4ctRAMNpo4qA8pmrKrYxPHNdyQwYSDx suRm9guiMKEH3zzlc5nW2HribmGZLljUMnClukKPoIPJJ2yz/0BG6p7x9aCw4+AV JnyqbCRlN107r/oYff4XfiSbKQ+5b22b5rwQlaJAdw11nNA65KdixNrNmo6OHnHi vYIJFpxiLowqyWEcs2BkAm8lCU2x617vcfqnebgMw4pWMX5JWqxvjb7DHuffm56w lWdIaDExNSSuL3V7Rafs0pTSFlAabA7Y6GPRTyA+1aqQcV7iZRgp+7UialsF1k73 H6WoG4RUjcbrWJtyrE3JqP9n70BHSiobI5WKCyzlZpEaXNjkg4Y= =p88x -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb--