From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jean Louis Subject: Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 20:54:14 +0200 Message-ID: <20191012185414.GJ20618@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <8eaaa9a2-a5ff-b64a-48bf-954150fecc63@gmail.com> <20191012130631.GJ15371@protected.rcdrun.com> <20191012133829.hep5xrh6blzpldxo@pelzflorian.localdomain> <004bdc31-c191-0459-509c-dcffbda327ab@frantovo.cz> <20191012172207.GV15371@protected.rcdrun.com> <20191012175304.GB20618@protected.rcdrun.com> <20191012182738.GE20618@protected.rcdrun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47060) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iJMWz-0005Gi-Mg for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 14:54:23 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iJMWy-00044Z-6S for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 14:54:21 -0400 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: P Cc: "guix-devel@gnu.org" , "fsf-and-gnu@fsf.org" , "rms@gnu.org" , "gnu-and-fsf@gnu.org" * P [2019-10-12 20:38]: You have been quoting from Andy Wingo blog: > The great tragedy of RMS's tenure in the supposedly universalist FSF > and GNU projects is that he behaves in a way that is particularly > alienating to women. GNU project is apolitical. RMS never established any discriminatory policies for GNU project. > It doesn't take a genius to conclude that if you're personally > driving away potential collaborators, that's a bad thing for the > organization, and actively harmful to the organization's goals: > software freedom is a cause that is explicitly for everyone. Not like that. My personal life has nothing with GNU project, that is what you need to understand. Personal issues are personal. Do you want to say that anybody in GNU project is now to be supervised, spyed onto, reviewed, screened, for their personal views, asking women for date, or for their political statuses before being accepted in GNU project? Are you nuts? > https://twitter.com/quince/status/1172290834974142464 I cannot see any fact there, I see people talking. Is talking wrong? Ah yes, it is wrong for Thoughtpolice. No fact. > https://twitter.com/corbett/status/994012399656042496 "My first interaction with RMS was at a hacker con at 19. He asked my name, I gave it, whether I went to MIT (I had an MIT shirt on), and after confirmation I did, asked me on a date. I said no. That was our entire conversation. Christine, yes, no thanks." So what? Is now asking woman for a date wrong? Is it contra-feminist to ask woman for a date? She feels proud and important that he asked her, so she tweeted it. Nothing wrong. If one would accuse me for asking women for a date, I would get stoned. No fact there, just rumor. > https://twitter.com/starsandrobots/status/994267277460619265 "I remember being walked around campus by an upperclassman getting advice during my freshman year at MIT. "Look at all the plants in her office," referring to a professor. "All the women CSAIL professors keep massive amounts of foliage" s/he said. "Stallman really hates plants." so if you find something wrong there, I don't even understand what you are referring to. No fact there, just rumor. > https://twitter.com/alizatw/status/994682557726781440 "I met him at an SF con in Boston. He hit on me in a clueless way. No thanks." as me being non-native English speaker, I don't understand that above, but I don't see how is the SF conference connected to GNU project. No fact there, just rumor. > https://twitter.com/suzanne_hillman/status/994596833761660928 "He flirts with anyone who is female, even if they are underage. He is creepy in person, in a way that I cannot adequately describe. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that he kept women out of open source and free software, and many of his ideas stayed even after he left." Sorry, I do not know what is wrong here. That Stallman flirts? What other crime did he commit? Why no lynch him right away for flirting? > https://twitter.com/MsAmandaDean/status/994162185247997952 "He and his followers pushed out a whole generation of female developers, just at that critical time when open source adoption was widening." "whole generation of female developers" wow.... not a fact, just exaggerated opinion. GNU project has clear policies of non-discrimination against anybody. Don't mistake rumor for facts. Not a fact. Next. > https://twitter.com/wiredferret/status/1173042834179534849 > https://twitter.com/bella_velo/status/1172524864193945603 Stallman's pleasure cards? Hahahhahaha. Man you really are good for Thoughtpolice Squad. I have nothing against you or anybody to promote their politics, please do, just outside of GNU project. Not a fact against RMS related to feminist issues statement. It is just yet another fact that Guix is feminist movement abusing GNU project for politics. > https://medium.com/@selamjie/remove-richard-stallman-appendix-a-a7e41e784f88 > > Can you actually refute their claims? But I need not refute it, I gave you refutals already. Contrary to you, I have read all of your references in genuine search for facts. Richard is guilty of what? Flirting? Pleasure Cards? Hahhahahahahahha. Jean