moderation, please

moderation, please

[ng0]

Hi,

this list is to discuss the _development_ of GNU Guix, Shepherd, and Guix System.

It is not a general discussion list for everything else.

While we usually get by fine without imposing moderation restrictions,
I don't see how any of the recent message floods have been ontopic to
this list (other than the original announcement of the blog post which
started the comments from people who don't seem to contribute much else).

If it isn't already on moderation for some people, it would be very
kind to do so as numerous active people asked for this (and the people
in question are on record not willing to stop the messages).


Thanks. 

Re: moderation, please

[Dmitry Alexandrov]

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ng0 <ng0@n0.is> wrote:
> this list is to discuss the _development_ of GNU Guix, Shepherd, and Guix System.
>
> It is not a general discussion list for everything else.
>
> While we usually get by fine without imposing moderation restrictions, I don't see how any of the recent message floods have been ontopic to this list

Yes, indeed, though I cannot imagine, how an offtopic limited to few threads can hurt any person minimally capable of using a MUA.

> (other than the original announcement of the blog post

Indeed?

> If it isn't already on moderation for some people, it would be very kind to do so as numerous active people asked for this (and the people in question are on record not willing to stop the messages).

Anyway, ‘to stop’ is the most unconstructive proposal, it never works.  If you can name a better mailing list, please do so.  E. g., @ams@gnu.org believes for some reason, than otherwise pretty dead gnu-system-discuss@gnu.org is not suitable for discussion of the future of GNU system in the light of recent events either.

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Re: moderation, please

[Jesse Gibbons]

On Sun, 2019-10-13 at 00:04 +0300, Dmitry Alexandrov wrote:
> ng0 <ng0@n0.is> wrote:
> > this list is to discuss the _development_ of GNU Guix, Shepherd, and
> > Guix System.
> > 
> > It is not a general discussion list for everything else.
> > 
> > While we usually get by fine without imposing moderation restrictions, I
> > don't see how any of the recent message floods have been ontopic to this
> > list
> 
> Yes, indeed, though I cannot imagine, how an offtopic limited to few
> threads can hurt any person minimally capable of using a MUA.
> 
> > (other than the original announcement of the blog post
> 
> Indeed?
> 
> > If it isn't already on moderation for some people, it would be very kind
> > to do so as numerous active people asked for this (and the people in
> > question are on record not willing to stop the messages).
> 
> Anyway, ‘to stop’ is the most unconstructive proposal, it never works.  If
> you can name a better mailing list, please do so.  E. g., @ams@gnu.org
> believes for some reason, than otherwise pretty dead gnu-system-
> discuss@gnu.org is not suitable for discussion of the future of GNU system
> in the light of recent events either.

Try moving it to irc or matrix. There should already be plenty of rooms
related to the future of the GNU project on freenode, or you could start
something new.

When all 50+ new messages in this list from the past hour are off-topic, it
is too much.

Re: moderation, please

[František Kučera]

Dne 13. 10. 19 v 0:16 Jesse Gibbons napsal(a):
> When all 50+ new messages in this list from the past hour are off-topic, it
> is too much.

1) That statement is still present on the official Guix blog and thus
this discussion is relevant.

2) I honestly can not imagine how any mailing list could be useful in a
e-mail client without thread support and filtering. So I expect that you
use such client (and according to the MIME headers you use Evolution, so
you are fine). And then: marking the whole thread with 50 messages as
read is the same effort as marking a single message as read.

Franta

Re: moderation, please

[Jesse Gibbons]

On Sun, 2019-10-13 at 00:32 +0200, František Kučera wrote:
> Dne 13. 10. 19 v 0:16 Jesse Gibbons napsal(a):
> > When all 50+ new messages in this list from the past hour are off-topic, 
> > it
> > is too much.
> 
> 1) That statement is still present on the official Guix blog and thus
> this discussion is relevant.
> 
> 2) I honestly can not imagine how any mailing list could be useful in a
> e-mail client without thread support and filtering. So I expect that you
> use such client (and according to the MIME headers you use Evolution, so
> you are fine). And then: marking the whole thread with 50 messages as
> read is the same effort as marking a single message as read.
> 
> Franta


Evolution has a filter feature that doesn't work like it should, otherwise
the entire thread would have automatically been marked as read and moved to
a junk folder after I added the filter rule on Wednesday.

When I see 50 new unread mail from this mailing list, I think it is
reasonable to hope at least one of them is about developing guix.

Re: moderation, please

[ng0]

And for everyone who is trying to 'splain email clients to me:
you do know that I was only refering to the gnu.org serverside
of the email list, that the main issue has been solved off-list
and that I have been sending the main points of annoyance to
/dev/null days before I even wrote this email.

Not that I owe anyone an explanation, but maybe no other people
get the idea to respond to this thread then.

Re: moderation, please

[Dmitry Alexandrov]

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Jesse Gibbons <jgibbons2357@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 2019-10-13 at 00:04 +0300, Dmitry Alexandrov wrote:
>> ng0 <ng0@n0.is> wrote:
>> > this list is to discuss the _development_ of GNU Guix, Shepherd, and Guix System.
>> > 
>> > It is not a general discussion list for everything else.
>> > 
>> > While we usually get by fine without imposing moderation restrictions, I don't see how any of the recent message floods have been ontopic to this list
>> 
>> Yes, indeed, though I cannot imagine, how an offtopic limited to few threads can hurt any person minimally capable of using a MUA.
>> 
>> > (other than the original announcement of the blog post
>> 
>> Indeed?
>> 
>> > If it isn't already on moderation for some people, it would be very kind to do so as numerous active people asked for this (and the people in question are on record not willing to stop the messages).
>> 
>> Anyway, ‘to stop’ is the most unconstructive proposal, it never works.  If you can name a better mailing list, please do so.  E. g., @ams@gnu.org believes for some reason, than otherwise pretty dead gnu-system- discuss@gnu.org is not suitable for discussion of the future of GNU system in the light of recent events either.
>
> Try moving it to irc or matrix. There should already be plenty of rooms related to the future of the GNU project on freenode, or you could start something new.

Why do you suggest changing a communication format for no reason?  I believe, if people choose a long and measured format of mailing list, they do it on purpose, not because they are not aware of existence of IRC channels.

> When all 50+ new messages in this list from the past hour are off-topic, it is too much.

Do not read them.  I am not a user of Evolution, just specifically checked it up for you, but it seems that this should do the trick: Context menu / ‘Ignore thread’.

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Enough

[Ricardo Wurmus]

This mailing list is for discussing the development of Guix.

This discussion about filtering in mail clients and associated insults
and expressions of frustration are not on topic.

Please let it go.

-- 
Ricardo