From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jean Louis Subject: Re: Joint statement on the GNU Project Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 16:16:46 +0200 Message-ID: <20191012141646.GO15371@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <87ftk4hbhu.fsf@gnu.org> <8eaaa9a2-a5ff-b64a-48bf-954150fecc63@gmail.com> <20191012130631.GJ15371@protected.rcdrun.com> <20191012133829.hep5xrh6blzpldxo@pelzflorian.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39540) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iJICU-0004SG-9h for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 10:16:55 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iJICS-0004l0-Md for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Oct 2019 10:16:54 -0400 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20191012133829.hep5xrh6blzpldxo@pelzflorian.localdomain> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: pelzflorian Cc: gnu-and-fsf@gnu.org, Info GNU , Libreplanet Discuss , guix-devel@gnu.org, GNU System Discuss , fsf-and-gnu@gnu.org * pelzflorian [2019-10-12 15:38]: > On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 03:06:31PM +0200, Jean Louis wrote: > > Ludovic Court=C3=A8s and Andy Wingo and other people who are introduc= ing > > their pro-feminist political views into the apolitical GNU project > > are mixing the independent GNU project with their feminist stances. > >=20 >=20 > Thank you for making clear arguments. I believe there is disagreement > with some core points. >=20 > GNU projects should be feminist, because losing contributors, users > and advocates because of toxic behavior harms free software. This is > not unrelated politics. It is very important. I am sorry, which software got harmed? It does not harm any software. I did not see any harm. Did some byte of software change because of somebody's thinking? That would be one unexplainable instance of telekinesis that I would like to observe. When somebody expresses ANY opinion is not considered "harm" in my opinion. Please Florian, maybe you are from Germany, in Germany it is forbidden to show Swastika, right? So it is censorship of free speech. If I would bring Swastika from Nagpur, India, where I came from yesterday, they would charge me for having a symbol of good luck that many people use in Nagpur. GNU is meant for all people and it is planetary project, and not Western world feminist project only, and it shall take any stance in any kind of politics but free software politics. Let us not be opportunists that place expediency above other principles, that consider good feelings with "everybody" more important than free software principles. So NO POLITICS IN GNU PROJECT! Do you understand that GNU project has planetary importance? So your stance on feminism is also directly connected to Islam, what will be next, to prevent Muslim people using free software? What is next? What is next? > IMHO it would be sad to lose the support of RMS who continues to do > so much for GNU. =20 His support is never lost. He has laid out the free software philosophy and GNU manifesto, and principles, and rule that GNU shall not follow any politics but free software politics. So his support is never lost unless all the supporters of free software philosophy suddenly die in one planetary catastrophe. > Endorsing RMS as the GNU Project=E2=80=99s leader could be seen as endo= rsing > bad behavior though which harms the GNU operating system. There are millions of people thinking different, why care about it? What you think will happen in 30 years from now? Some other movement requesting GNU to be nice to their politics? Nonsense. > I thank the GNU maintainers for their stance and am sorry for > prolonging this discussion even though all arguments were already > given somewhere before. There are no arguments Florian. Even my son has same name as you. Florian, FSF ist nicht Deutschland. Please try to understand what is free speech. People shall not be punished for free speech. RMS did not even say what is said that he has said. At least be right to yourself to verify the facts. Facts: https://geoff.greer.fm/2019/09/30/in-defense-of-richard-stallman/ https://sterling-archermedes.github.io/ See more: https://fsforce.noblogs.org/ https://backtotheaugust.org/ See this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7UbQ1kc1vQU or https://watchkin.com/y/7UbQ1kc1vQU How about watching this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DZGF17TbbBcE Please STATE the facts. If you would make your judgment according to German constitution, I would be fine, but you are not. Nobody is guilty of any crime, so do not make RMS guilty of Thoughtcrime. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Police and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughtcrime Jean