From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Pjotr Prins Subject: Re: What is the philosophy behind shepherd? Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2019 15:35:15 +0200 Message-ID: <20190407133515.drlehsudbh7scasj@thebird.nl> References: <87o95jlyo0.fsf@gmail.com> <87a7h2buk8.fsf@dustycloud.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33131) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hD858-000550-7Q for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Apr 2019 09:43:35 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hD857-00062s-CV for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Apr 2019 09:43:34 -0400 Received: from mail.thebird.nl ([94.142.245.5]:57978) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hD857-00062l-49 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Apr 2019 09:43:33 -0400 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87a7h2buk8.fsf@dustycloud.org> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Christopher Lemmer Webber Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org On Sat, Apr 06, 2019 at 07:08:55PM -0400, Christopher Lemmer Webber wrote: > In other words, I think systemd exists in many ways to make up for the > limitations of a monolithic kernel approach. In that way, it makes > sense, but I think we could do better with a different fundamental > infrastructure. One way to view it is that systemd does a lot of 'magic'. I.e., there are internal assumptions that are not that clear. A black box. For most users, or use cases, that is fine, but when it comes to running robust and reliable systems you want to define a system with its services as a reproducible 'expression', much in the spirit of Guix. That is where shepherd comes in. Systemd reminds me too much of Microsoft Windows. Things just happen. Pj.