From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jean Louis Subject: Re: [PATCH] gnu: Add ungoogled-chromium. Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 15:43:12 +0100 Message-ID: <20190204144312.GW12072@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <20190202192023.22087-1-mbakke@fastmail.com> <87k1igpwk8.fsf@dismail.de> <20190203235204.63970587@parabola> <20190204074629.GD14481@gnu.org> <20190204055656.6aad770f@parabola> Reply-To: Workgroup for fully free GNU/Linux distributions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20190204055656.6aad770f@parabola> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: gnu-linux-libre-bounces+gldg-gnu-linux-libre=m.gmane.org@nongnu.org Sender: "gnu-linux-libre" To: Workgroup for fully free GNU/Linux distributions Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org List-Id: guix-devel.gnu.org On Mon, Feb 04, 2019 at 05:56:56AM -0500, bill-auger wrote: > On Mon, 4 Feb 2019 02:46:30 -0500 Ineiev wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 03, 2019 at 11:52:04PM -0500, bill-auger wrote: > > > the main, central FSDG concern: which programs are > > > freely distributable and which are not > > > > I don't think the main FSDG concern is which programs are freely > > distributable, and even which programs are free > > geez, i almost erased that bit before sending it too :( - to be clear: > by "freely distributable" i totally meant "provides all five of the > four freedoms" > > i will append just this - the issue here is really quite simple to > express - one (and only one) of the following statements must be true: > > * the chromium software provides all of the four freedoms > * the chromium software does not provide all of the four freedoms > > there is no third option I am not sure that issue is just that simple. Software may have free license, but it may be made to control users, or steer to non-free software. I cannot know if Chromium is now full free, but I do know, and there are references on issues, here is one example I found: https://tracker.pureos.net/T57 There are various issues here referenced: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Chromium_(web_browser) In general, one can make also the free software that is controlling user or abusing users' privacy, or sending information to companies worldwide. Should such software be included in free software distributions? I don't think so. None of 4 freedoms is referencing "no spyware", but the guidelines do: https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html "The distro must contain no DRM, no back doors, and no spyware." That is just example, as so far I know, Chromium was so much connected to Google and was sending data there. Jean