From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Pjotr Prins Subject: Re: FOSDEM 2019 Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 11:35:49 +0200 Message-ID: <20180831093549.5a75f2blprhldqln@thebird.nl> References: <20180827092319.ghxmbxb2mkjv2sat@thebird.nl> <20180830182037.g2pzfuhhjczpikzu@thebird.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56839) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fvfqR-0001IY-8j for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Aug 2018 05:36:00 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fvfqQ-0005h7-19 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Aug 2018 05:35:59 -0400 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Amirouche Boubekki Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, Guix-devel Thanks Amirouche, On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 09:38:56PM +0200, Amirouche Boubekki wrote: > On 2018-08-30 20:20, Pjotr Prins wrote: > > Just to clarify, we will organize a two day Guix conference before > > FOSDEM. That is pretty much in the box. We have room at ICAB, the place > > we were last year. > > > > http://icab.be/ > > About the specifically guix event, maybe it's a good time to organize > an install party. Also, let's be clear upfront if that the fringe event > can include those kind of work: poster, workshop, tutorial... anything > else to add? I think we'll focus those days on the development effort. At FOSDEM it is possible to get a stand. That would be a good place to help people start up. Or, if we get a dev-room, we can use it to install stuff on the side. At least, make the offer. Tutorials would fit there too. > > In addition to the Guix conference there is the possibility to have a > > dev-room at FOSDEM, but we need to apply for it. If the interest is as > > underwhelming as it is now I think we better forget about it. These > > things take effort to organize. > > > > I think the 'minimalistic languages for big ideas' room has appeal to > > a wider audience and some of our projects fit really well. Anyone > > any project ideas? Or do we just forget about it? How about: > > > > - Guile Guix build farm and Cuirass > > - Sheperd (Guile) > > > > Yes! > > I posted previously a message on various Scheme related bulletin > boards, with not many responses except in Racket Group [0] that boils > down to "maybe we should do something". Heh. Usually it is a small group of people that make it happen. > [0] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/racket-users/MehPv0ugBI4 > > I created a page at http://community.schemewiki.org/?FOSDEM2019 > > Like I wrote previously I was thinking out loud when I emailed guile-user > about a scheme dev room, with the hope more people would answer the call > but it did not happen. > > What about the following names for the room: > > - big fringe ideas > - define > - dev off > - off tracks > > This names or others might allow even more developers (whatever that > means...) Hmmm. If you look at the examples of last year - you should - you can see they go for *major* topics. I think we can play the small languages card because it is like a bin for everything that does not fit the big guns. Manolis and I chose minimalistic languages because Scheme fits so well :) > to join the event from a broad horizon. Let's remember the event is Free and > Open source Software Developers' European Meeting. > > European make me think that about art, culture and history. > > So this makes me think that it's about free. Art can be free. You feel free > to dev > an art form like mezangelle / code poetry / executable poetry. > > European is not the USA nor Asia maybe there is something interesting to > find > to make it interesting for people from Europe and abroad to come to FOSDEM. > What about social / ethno / anthroposcene? > > Well, I speak a lot about art. That's the way I think of coding. It's a way > (albeit new) to express oneself. It's a form of art and also a way to > empower > others to create art and communicate. code imo is about communication. I fully appreciate this :) > What do other people think about the name that room must be? > > I believe the schemewiki.org is more convenient because registration > is not required. > > Another thing I'd like to stress, is that last year most talks I read about > were driven by big companies and stuff. And all the counter developer > culture > was spread in various rooms. Let's make a room for alternatives maybe? No so > big > communities that have a lot of potential or might just be moon shots. I think that is a very interesting approach. > I have a book called 'Open Space Technology' it's about organizing > meetings and events. I will read skim over it tonight. And (try) provide > feedback about the latest advancement in psychohistory engineering. > > I hope to read some of your ideas. > > > Here is another one: #zehefyu93 undo s:/3nce 4 a peacefu/ prosperity. > > Just to come back on the righteous track, maybe one can invite speakers. > > Let's get inspiration from racketcon 2018 and 2017 or clojureconj or > whatever.. > > stop brainwashing, > start brainstorming, > and have fun. Fun +1 How about a dev-room for 'fun freedom programming languages'. It may get a white space talk. Then, if I think of the work on MES and Guix it may not be that great a fit. My point is that we should name the room that will fit these projects - MES reproducible from soucre bootstrap - Guile Guix - Guile Cuirass - Guile JIT - Guile Sheperd - Lua JIT and then more... Note that 'fun freedom programming languages' is already too long a name for a devroom. > One has 6 months to prepare. But we only have 3 weeks to apply for a dev-room. Pj.