From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Pjotr Prins Subject: Re: website: say what Guix is at the very top Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 08:37:18 +0100 Message-ID: <20180129073718.GA32294@thebird.nl> References: <863732wf9z.fsf@gmail.com> <87efmm70re.fsf@elephly.net> <87r2qm3rfv.fsf@gnu.org> <87r2qj1d6o.fsf@elephly.net> <87a7x31gm6.fsf@gnu.org> <86372sdxz0.fsf@gmail.com> <87h8r71dp9.fsf@gnu.org> <867es3cgeq.fsf@gmail.com> <87bmhet0hc.fsf@elephly.net> <86zi4xb8tk.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43018) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eg43i-0007SS-I8 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jan 2018 02:40:55 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eg43f-0003fP-Fb for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jan 2018 02:40:54 -0500 Received: from mail.thebird.nl ([95.154.246.10]:60891) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eg43f-0003bp-8P for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jan 2018 02:40:51 -0500 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86zi4xb8tk.fsf@gmail.com> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: myglc2@gmail.com Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, sirgazil On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 11:14:15PM -0500, myglc2@gmail.com wrote: > > I=E2=80=99m not a fan of sales messages and that kind of language > > (=E2=80=9Cintroducing=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Cthe first foo to do bar=E2=80= =9D, etc); I also don=E2=80=99t like that > > these are all worded negatively, which is something we should avoid. >=20 > OK but keep in mind that we have very little time to capture a > prospective user's attention. You normally do this by saying what is > unique about a product and what problem it solves. This is my attempt > at points that might convince a sysadmin and/or user to try > Guix/GuixSD. We can make it less salesy. But are the points wrong? Is > something missing? Are there better points to make? The case is a bit complicated here. Not only do we present two products we also have multiple audiences. The current website (in the true GNU spirit) addresses hackers. That works because Guix was WIP and needed more of those. The hacker spirit has served us and still serves us. But to popularize Guix we have at least two other audiences. The first one 'sysadmins' and 'devops' is an important one because we need to get Guix on systems they control. This proves to be a hard sell in my experience. Mostly, I think, because sysadmins are not aware of the benefits - or simply don't want to be aware. No kidding, I have encountered that a few times.=20 Then there are end-users and developers who can use Guix for their purposes and it would liberate them. The net benefit for all is gaining control, reproducibility and (hopefully) saving time. I.e., to have a successful sales pitch you'll need to address 2*3=3D6 targets. I have a suspicion that we are inclined as hackers to go by merit. I.e., Guix is superior so we'll win. History has proven this is usually not the right stance. I am happy George wants to address this. I think we should be fully receptive.=20 Maybe we should add new pages: 1. Guix for sysadmins and devops 2. Guix for end users and organisations And take them by the hand. Pj. --=20