FOSDEM 2018 Guile devroom

FOSDEM 2018 Guile devroom

[Manolis Ragkousis]

Hello Guile, Hello Guix,

Unfortunately I have bad news. Our proposal for a devroom at FOSDEM 2018
has not been accepted. But I think we can still make the best out of a
bad situation. That's why I want to encourage people to submit talks in
other devrooms/tracks. Ludo posted a list some time ago[1] on possible
options. The confirmed devrooms for 2018 will be announced soon. [2]

We also have the option of organizing a fringe event or a hackathon in
the Friday before, if we find a place and there is interest. The ones
local to Brussels can help with finding a place. Alex any ideas?

Alternatively we can host something later in the year somewhere in
another conference. WDYT?

People this is a good time for suggestions and ideas :). Please do say
what you think and how we could make the best out of this. It will help.

Thank you
Manolis

[1] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2015-11/msg00695.html
[2] https://fosdem.org/2018/schedule/

Re: FOSDEM 2018 Guile devroom

[Ricardo Wurmus]

Hi Manolis,

> Unfortunately I have bad news. Our proposal for a devroom at FOSDEM 2018
> has not been accepted.

That’s too bad!  Thank you (and others who worked on the proposal) for
your initiative, though!

> We also have the option of organizing a fringe event or a hackathon in
> the Friday before, if we find a place and there is interest. The ones
> local to Brussels can help with finding a place. Alex any ideas?
>
> Alternatively we can host something later in the year somewhere in
> another conference. WDYT?

I’d be very happy if we could have a little meetup before FOSDEM to
meet, discuss, and hack.

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Re: FOSDEM 2018 Guile devroom

[Thomas Danckaert]

From: Manolis Ragkousis <manolis837@gmail.com>
Subject: FOSDEM 2018 Guile devroom
Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 23:34:37 +0300

> Unfortunately I have bad news. Our proposal for a devroom at FOSDEM 
> 2018
> has not been accepted. But I think we can still make the best out 
> of a
> bad situation. That's why I want to encourage people to submit 
> talks in
> other devrooms/tracks. Ludo posted a list some time ago[1] on 
> possible
> options. The confirmed devrooms for 2018 will be announced soon. [2]

Just to get everybody excited: https://fosdem.org/2018/schedule 
includes (among others) devrooms for

  - “Package Management”

  - “HPC, Big Data and Data Science”

  - “Distributions”

  - “Containers”

  - “Config Management”

   -“Free Java”

Thomas

Re: FOSDEM 2018 Guile devroom

[Ludovic Courtès]

Hello!

[- guile-devel]

Thomas Danckaert <post@thomasdanckaert.be> skribis:

> Just to get everybody excited: https://fosdem.org/2018/schedule
> includes (among others) devrooms for
>
>  - “Package Management”
>
>  - “HPC, Big Data and Data Science”
>
>  - “Distributions”
>
>  - “Containers”
>
>  - “Config Management”
>
>   -“Free Java”

Awesome.  These tracks are good opportunities to reach out to people who
otherwise wouldn’t hear about Guix(SD).  Given how many people were in
the Guile/Guix devroom last year, I’m sure we could afford to have one
talk in each track.  ;-)  Let’s synchronize!

Ludo’.

Re: FOSDEM 2018 Guile devroom

[Ricardo Wurmus]

Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:

> Hello!
>
> [- guile-devel]
>
> Thomas Danckaert <post@thomasdanckaert.be> skribis:
>
>> Just to get everybody excited: https://fosdem.org/2018/schedule
>> includes (among others) devrooms for
>>
>>  - “Package Management”
>>
>>  - “HPC, Big Data and Data Science”
>>
>>  - “Distributions”
>>
>>  - “Containers”
>>
>>  - “Config Management”
>>
>>   -“Free Java”
>
> Awesome.  These tracks are good opportunities to reach out to people who
> otherwise wouldn’t hear about Guix(SD).  Given how many people were in
> the Guile/Guix devroom last year, I’m sure we could afford to have one
> talk in each track.  ;-)  Let’s synchronize!

“Free Java” is an interesting name for a devroom track.  I guess I could
talk about freedom problems with the Java culture of never building
software recursively from source, and introduce how we’re approaching
this problem in Guix.

The Java bootstrap could also be demonstrated in that talk.

(Does anyone know how this is done in Debian?  Do they actually build
all of their Java packages from source?)

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Re: FOSDEM 2018 Guile devroom

[Ludovic Courtès]

Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephly.net> skribis:

> “Free Java” is an interesting name for a devroom track.  I guess I could
> talk about freedom problems with the Java culture of never building
> software recursively from source, and introduce how we’re approaching
> this problem in Guix.
>
> The Java bootstrap could also be demonstrated in that talk.

Indeed, sounds like we have a lot to discuss with “the Java folks.”

> (Does anyone know how this is done in Debian?  Do they actually build
> all of their Java packages from source?)

No idea, but we should definitely get in touch with the Java team.

Ludo’.

Re: FOSDEM 2018 Guile devroom

[Efraim Flashner]

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On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 10:25:47PM +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephly.net> skribis:
> 
> > “Free Java” is an interesting name for a devroom track.  I guess I could
> > talk about freedom problems with the Java culture of never building
> > software recursively from source, and introduce how we’re approaching
> > this problem in Guix.
> >
> > The Java bootstrap could also be demonstrated in that talk.

Also interesting to look into is how the bootstrapping effort works with
different architectures. i686 should bootstrap fine, but has problems.
Arm needs some loving to be updated from v3 or 4 to v7. Aarch64 didn't
exist back then and needs to be written into the source to have an
actual bootstrap.

> 
> Indeed, sounds like we have a lot to discuss with “the Java folks.”
> 
> > (Does anyone know how this is done in Debian?  Do they actually build
> > all of their Java packages from source?)
> 
> No idea, but we should definitely get in touch with the Java team.
> 

I haven't looked at Java specifically, but I assume they may have
bootstrapped it in the past, but they use their current versions to
build the next version, and so on. I do believe, however, that they do
build everything in main (and contrib) from source.

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Re: FOSDEM 2018 Guile devroom

[Efraim Flashner]

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On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 09:34:17AM +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> [- guile-devel]
> 
> Thomas Danckaert <post@thomasdanckaert.be> skribis:
> 
> > Just to get everybody excited: https://fosdem.org/2018/schedule
> > includes (among others) devrooms for
> >
> >  - “Package Management”
> >
> >  - “HPC, Big Data and Data Science”
> >
> >  - “Distributions”
> >
> >  - “Containers”
> >
> >  - “Config Management”
> >
> >   -“Free Java”
> 
> Awesome.  These tracks are good opportunities to reach out to people who
> otherwise wouldn’t hear about Guix(SD).  Given how many people were in
> the Guile/Guix devroom last year, I’m sure we could afford to have one
> talk in each track.  ;-)  Let’s synchronize!
> 
> Ludo’.
> 

For the distro room I was thinking of a talk along the lines of "living
the aarch64 life in an x86 world".

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