MATE applications only fit for a running MATE Environment?

MATE applications only fit for a running MATE Environment?

[ng0]

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I'm currently packaging MATE, but I'm not a very well experienced
user of MATE. I'm used to modular systems where you can reuse
applications outside of their bigger projects.

gnome-terminal can in theory be used in other WMs and DMs aswell.
Except that with mate-terminal I had issues in a spectrwm - only system.
In addition to "bug#28088: "The name org.a11y.Bus was not provided by any .service files" with multiple applications"
I get this in GNOME (where 28088 is a non-issue):

user@abyayala ~$ mate-terminal

(mate-terminal:841): GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'org.mate.interface' is not installed

Trace/breakpoint trap


I assume I might still lack an application in the graph though.. I have the very
base of MATE now, and the test with MATE is with only mate itself being
present.

The very base seems to be:
mate-desktop, mate-menus, mate-panel, mate-session-manager
mate-settings-daemon, marco, and optionally(?)
caja, mate-control-center, mate-media,
mozo, mate-terminal.

But I only experience issues with mate-terminal for now.. Marco/the WM itself
is another issue.

This is what I have:

commit 380e1ca853794336e1874a2d555af6aebca2e42b (HEAD -> system/mate)
Author: ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org>
Date:   Mon Aug 14 18:58:34 2017 +0000

    gnu: Add mate-panel.

    * gnu/packages/mate.scm (mate-panel): New variable.

commit 100357037d50a9ea8268152353210d67e9fd34b5
Author: ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org>
Date:   Mon Aug 14 17:18:06 2017 +0000

    gnu: Add mate-session-manager.

    * gnu/packages/mate.scm (mate-session-manager): New variable.

commit 09502debf16798830f13f151818c856675c4d738
Author: ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org>
Date:   Sun Aug 6 18:03:17 2017 +0000

    gnu: Add marco.

    * gnu/packages/mate.scm (marco): New variable.

commit 647e1d55d2b4f4f5a53d88aeac98d242e4ab108b
Author: ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org>
Date:   Sun Aug 6 18:29:40 2017 +0000

    gnu: Add mate-terminal.

    * gnu/packages/mate.scm (mate-terminal): New variable.

commit ccde857f1e6bd7f059fde60d229b5df5f79e75c3
Author: ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org>
Date:   Sun Aug 6 17:22:41 2017 +0000

    gnu: Add caja.

    * gnu/packages/mate.scm (caja): New variable.
    
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Re: MATE applications only fit for a running MATE Environment?

[ng0]

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Various sources suggest either of the following:

- mate applications require many dependencies within MATE.
- I need mate-utils which I haven't packaged yet

I'll try mate-utils.
ng0 transcribed 3.3K bytes:
> I'm currently packaging MATE, but I'm not a very well experienced
> user of MATE. I'm used to modular systems where you can reuse
> applications outside of their bigger projects.
> 
> gnome-terminal can in theory be used in other WMs and DMs aswell.
> Except that with mate-terminal I had issues in a spectrwm - only system.
> In addition to "bug#28088: "The name org.a11y.Bus was not provided by any .service files" with multiple applications"
> I get this in GNOME (where 28088 is a non-issue):
> 
> user@abyayala ~$ mate-terminal
> 
> (mate-terminal:841): GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'org.mate.interface' is not installed
> 
> Trace/breakpoint trap
> 
> 
> I assume I might still lack an application in the graph though.. I have the very
> base of MATE now, and the test with MATE is with only mate itself being
> present.
> 
> The very base seems to be:
> mate-desktop, mate-menus, mate-panel, mate-session-manager
> mate-settings-daemon, marco, and optionally(?)
> caja, mate-control-center, mate-media,
> mozo, mate-terminal.
> 
> But I only experience issues with mate-terminal for now.. Marco/the WM itself
> is another issue.
> 
> This is what I have:
> 
> commit 380e1ca853794336e1874a2d555af6aebca2e42b (HEAD -> system/mate)
> Author: ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org>
> Date:   Mon Aug 14 18:58:34 2017 +0000
> 
>     gnu: Add mate-panel.
> 
>     * gnu/packages/mate.scm (mate-panel): New variable.
> 
> commit 100357037d50a9ea8268152353210d67e9fd34b5
> Author: ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org>
> Date:   Mon Aug 14 17:18:06 2017 +0000
> 
>     gnu: Add mate-session-manager.
> 
>     * gnu/packages/mate.scm (mate-session-manager): New variable.
> 
> commit 09502debf16798830f13f151818c856675c4d738
> Author: ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org>
> Date:   Sun Aug 6 18:03:17 2017 +0000
> 
>     gnu: Add marco.
> 
>     * gnu/packages/mate.scm (marco): New variable.
> 
> commit 647e1d55d2b4f4f5a53d88aeac98d242e4ab108b
> Author: ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org>
> Date:   Sun Aug 6 18:29:40 2017 +0000
> 
>     gnu: Add mate-terminal.
> 
>     * gnu/packages/mate.scm (mate-terminal): New variable.
> 
> commit ccde857f1e6bd7f059fde60d229b5df5f79e75c3
> Author: ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org>
> Date:   Sun Aug 6 17:22:41 2017 +0000
> 
>     gnu: Add caja.
> 
>     * gnu/packages/mate.scm (caja): New variable.
>     
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Re: MATE applications only fit for a running MATE Environment? (sed help wanted)

[ng0]

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ng0 transcribed 3.9K bytes:
> Various sources suggest either of the following:
> 
> - mate applications require many dependencies within MATE.
> - I need mate-utils which I haven't packaged yet
> 
> I'll try mate-utils.

Okay, this is where I need help as mate-utils depends on
mate-panel which I have kind-of-packaged - it is supposedly
finished (build phase succeeds) but crashes because I need to
figure out how to replicate this for Guix:

    #https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=656231
    sed -i -e 's/ -shared / -Wl,-O1,--as-needed\0/g' libtool

Anyone got an idea? mate-utils probably requires me to do the same.
It's easy when you can do it in a Makefile, but I have no idea
right now how to adjust my package to this.

> ng0 transcribed 3.3K bytes:
> > I'm currently packaging MATE, but I'm not a very well experienced
> > user of MATE. I'm used to modular systems where you can reuse
> > applications outside of their bigger projects.
> > 
> > gnome-terminal can in theory be used in other WMs and DMs aswell.
> > Except that with mate-terminal I had issues in a spectrwm - only system.
> > In addition to "bug#28088: "The name org.a11y.Bus was not provided by any .service files" with multiple applications"
> > I get this in GNOME (where 28088 is a non-issue):
> > 
> > user@abyayala ~$ mate-terminal
> > 
> > (mate-terminal:841): GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'org.mate.interface' is not installed
> > 
> > Trace/breakpoint trap
> > 
> > 
> > I assume I might still lack an application in the graph though.. I have the very
> > base of MATE now, and the test with MATE is with only mate itself being
> > present.
> > 
> > The very base seems to be:
> > mate-desktop, mate-menus, mate-panel, mate-session-manager
> > mate-settings-daemon, marco, and optionally(?)
> > caja, mate-control-center, mate-media,
> > mozo, mate-terminal.
> > 
> > But I only experience issues with mate-terminal for now.. Marco/the WM itself
> > is another issue.
> > 
> > This is what I have:
> > 
> > commit 380e1ca853794336e1874a2d555af6aebca2e42b (HEAD -> system/mate)
> > Author: ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org>
> > Date:   Mon Aug 14 18:58:34 2017 +0000
> > 
> >     gnu: Add mate-panel.
> > 
> >     * gnu/packages/mate.scm (mate-panel): New variable.
> > 
> > commit 100357037d50a9ea8268152353210d67e9fd34b5
> > Author: ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org>
> > Date:   Mon Aug 14 17:18:06 2017 +0000
> > 
> >     gnu: Add mate-session-manager.
> > 
> >     * gnu/packages/mate.scm (mate-session-manager): New variable.
> > 
> > commit 09502debf16798830f13f151818c856675c4d738
> > Author: ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org>
> > Date:   Sun Aug 6 18:03:17 2017 +0000
> > 
> >     gnu: Add marco.
> > 
> >     * gnu/packages/mate.scm (marco): New variable.
> > 
> > commit 647e1d55d2b4f4f5a53d88aeac98d242e4ab108b
> > Author: ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org>
> > Date:   Sun Aug 6 18:29:40 2017 +0000
> > 
> >     gnu: Add mate-terminal.
> > 
> >     * gnu/packages/mate.scm (mate-terminal): New variable.
> > 
> > commit ccde857f1e6bd7f059fde60d229b5df5f79e75c3
> > Author: ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org>
> > Date:   Sun Aug 6 17:22:41 2017 +0000
> > 
> >     gnu: Add caja.
> > 
> >     * gnu/packages/mate.scm (caja): New variable.
> >     
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> 
> 
> 
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Re: MATE applications only fit for a running MATE Environment?

[Andy Wingo]

On Mon 14 Aug 2017 22:12, ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org> writes:

> user@abyayala ~$ mate-terminal
>
> (mate-terminal:841): GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'org.mate.interface' is not installed

I believe you need to use glib-or-gtk-build-system instead of
gnu-build-system.  That will make sure that binaries built by your
packages have wrappers that set environment variables ensuring that the
program's schemas are visible to the program.

Andy

Re: MATE applications only fit for a running MATE Environment?

[ng0]

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Andy Wingo transcribed 0.4K bytes:
> On Mon 14 Aug 2017 22:12, ng0 <ng0@infotropique.org> writes:
> 
> > user@abyayala ~$ mate-terminal
> >
> > (mate-terminal:841): GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'org.mate.interface' is not installed
> 
> I believe you need to use glib-or-gtk-build-system instead of
> gnu-build-system.  That will make sure that binaries built by your
> packages have wrappers that set environment variables ensuring that the
> program's schemas are visible to the program.
> 
> Andy

Brilliant! This fixed caja for starters. Many thanks!
Alright. I'm really positive we can have MATE soon.
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