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From: Pjotr Prins <pjotr.public12@thebird.nl>
To: Jan Nieuwenhuizen <janneke@gnu.org>, guix-devel <guix-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Creating a reliable bootstrap for building from source
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 20:30:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170514183014.GA31243@thebird.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170514172927.GA31005@thebird.nl>

Thinking about it, what I want to achieve is that we can take the
latest git tree and bootstrap by building guix and packages. This
should be easy, since I have guix running, but it is not. And the main
trouble is that the underlying build packages can differ over time. I
am looking at gcc versions and guile versions.  I.e., we are building
on shifting sands. How unguixy!

The combination of 'guix pull' held a promise, were it not that pull is
also iffy. Probably for pretty much the same reason.

The bootstrap+configure scripts try to work that, but actually
address a wider case. I.e. people who want to bootstrap in Debian etc.
I don't think we need al that. I write Makefile.guix for my projects
and they tend to be simple! Once you can assume Guix is there life
gets simple as a developer - except when you try to bootstrap :0

The instruction I would like to write for others is:

1. Install the latest bootstrap-guix-from-source package after a guix pull
2. git clone guix && cd guix
3. run make -f Makefile.guix  

(no configure is needed in guix!)

4. ./pre-inst guix etc. etc.

Now the bootstrap-guix-from-source package is easy to create and needs
one single test: build guix from the git tree. It should have a
dependency on the git tree itself, so it gets forced every time on the
build farm.

Once we have that we can even bootstrap using guix pack and such.

I realise potluck could be an alternative, but a working bootstrap
would make guix pull also reliable and we can test it effectively on
the build farm.

Pj. 

(unguixy, I like that. It applies to many deployment statements. The
world is an unguixy place)

  reply	other threads:[~2017-05-14 18:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-15 16:13 Ready for Guile 2.2! Ludovic Courtès
2017-03-15 20:33 ` Pjotr Prins
2017-03-15 20:41 ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-04-20 12:35   ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-04-20 13:10     ` Andy Wingo
2017-04-20 15:21       ` Maxim Cournoyer
2017-04-21 16:05         ` Joshua Branson
2017-04-22 22:20           ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-04-21 21:03         ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-04-24  1:31           ` Maxim Cournoyer
2017-04-21 21:14       ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-03-31 16:34 ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-04-22 22:34 ` ‘guix pull’ vs. transition to Guile 2.2 Ludovic Courtès
2017-04-23 14:09   ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2017-04-27 13:25     ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-09 21:22   ` Heads-up: " Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-09 22:26     ` myglc2
2017-05-10 12:05       ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-10 17:11         ` myglc2
2017-05-11  0:40           ` myglc2
2017-05-11  8:29             ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-11  8:50               ` Vincent Legoll
2017-05-11 20:53                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-11 11:53               ` myglc2
2017-05-11 17:48                 ` ng0
2017-05-11 18:17                   ` ng0
2017-05-11 20:49                     ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2017-05-12  8:11                     ` Chris Marusich
2017-05-18 12:32                       ` ng0
2017-05-14 13:50     ` Pjotr Prins
2017-05-14 15:35       ` Pjotr Prins
2017-05-14 16:13         ` Pjotr Prins
2017-05-14 16:28           ` Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2017-05-14 17:29             ` pjotr.public12
2017-05-14 18:30               ` Pjotr Prins [this message]
2017-05-14 21:32                 ` Creating a reliable bootstrap for building from source Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-15  1:20                   ` David Pirotte
2017-05-15 13:27                     ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-15  7:35                   ` Pjotr Prins
2017-05-15 13:28                     ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-17  7:47                       ` Pjotr Prins
2017-05-19  8:58                         ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-17  7:52                   ` Pjotr Prins
2017-05-14 21:28       ` Heads-up: transition to Guile 2.2 Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-15  7:26         ` Pjotr Prins
2017-05-15 15:48           ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-15 20:24             ` Rethinking guix pull [was Re: Heads-up: transition to Guile 2.2] myglc2
2017-05-16 15:55               ` Ricardo Wurmus
2017-05-16 20:56                 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2017-05-18 13:54                   ` Katherine Cox-Buday
2017-05-18 15:08                     ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-17 12:45                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-05-17 17:54                   ` myglc2
2017-05-17 16:06                 ` myglc2
2017-05-17 17:46                   ` myglc2
2017-05-17 23:45                     ` Leo Famulari
2017-05-12  5:41   ` ‘guix pull’ vs. transition to Guile 2.2 Chris Marusich
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-05-14 19:54 Creating a reliable bootstrap for building from source Jeremiah
2017-05-14 21:17 ` Pjotr Prins
2017-05-15  0:11 Jeremiah

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