From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Pjotr Prins Subject: Re: Review process Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 04:24:21 +0200 Message-ID: <20160723022421.GA15436@thebird.nl> References: <579027b7.VHXjhpPxQC3AAmeY%pjotr.public12@email> <8760rznoh1.fsf@gnu.org> <20160722004130.GA10340@thebird.nl> <874m7hk6dz.fsf_-_@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36384) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bQmfV-0001qX-1J for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 22:27:58 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bQmfR-00087Y-TM for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 22:27:57 -0400 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <874m7hk6dz.fsf_-_@gnu.org> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Ludovic =?iso-8859-1?Q?Court=E8s?= Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 06:02:48PM +0200, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: > > I think I have covered that both in my writeup and in my response to > > Ben. I think this work should be accepted as is. >=20 > I find this unfair. You are not a newcomer, as proved by the fact that > you=E2=80=99ve already identified weaknesses in the work you submit. Exactly.=20 > Thus, that you post it anyway can be understood as =E2=80=9CI know this= and that > should be done, but I=E2=80=99d rather let you do it on my behalf, kthx= bye=E2=80=9D. >=20 > Or perhaps you=E2=80=99re suggesting that reviews are unnecessary, or t= hat the > points we insist on make little sense? If have explained things why they are as they are with the Elixir package. I have done my utmost to get the package to this stage. There is some work pending fixing tests with upstream. All that is in the open and happening. > Well, I can tell you that as a user, I very much prefer that people who > add packages to the distro have taken their time to make it lean and > clean. This QA work that you dislike is a service that we developers d= o > to users; it=E2=80=99s not something we do for the sake of elitism. >=20 > I hope this can clear misunderstandings! Thanks Ludo. As it stands I am no longer submitting packages to ML. I did my utmost to make the package lean and clean. This package is not going in. But, I suggest you listen. I know at least 4 people here who say they have trouble submitting to Guix. Good people. You know I love Guix and I am a great admirer of all of you and I certainly appreciate the energy you put into developing Guix and reviews. I won't go away, but I am making clear why I am quitting working in this way. Mind, I saw this coming. I actually quit submitting packages half a year ago and instead worked through others. I was interested to see if I would survive this one last attempt. In the end my opinion on the state of the package conflicts with yours - even though I am the expert on Elixir here and the conflict is not about knowledge of Guix itself. Please read this last sentence again. I'll have a think on how to proceed from here. I want to work with those 4 people. And I want to attract more people from conda, brew etc. I am convinced we need to change our ways. This state of affairs does not sit well with me. To call it elitist was a provocation, but I actually think there is some truth to it. The world is divided in people who can do the dance, and those who can't (for whatever reason). We need to find a way where the lesser people (like me) can contribute. Now, THAT would make it a brilliant project. Pj.