From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Pjotr Prins Subject: Re: none Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 13:07:39 +0200 Message-ID: <20160722110739.GA12722@thebird.nl> References: <579027b7.VHXjhpPxQC3AAmeY%pjotr.public12@email> <8760rznoh1.fsf@gnu.org> <20160722004130.GA10340@thebird.nl> <20160722020656.GA10533@thebird.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60874) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bQYMT-0000uo-QE for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 07:11:22 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bQYMS-0004B2-Mp for guix-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jul 2016 07:11:21 -0400 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Tobias Geerinckx-Rice Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org, Guix-devel On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 06:48:47AM +0200, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice wrote: > In the spirit of (friendly) provocation, I'd nitpick on the term > =E2=80=98purist views=E2=80=99 and suggest the word =E2=80=98standards=E2= =80=99 instead. ;-) Alright. I concede ;) > But seriously: the code reviews? Most Free software projects don't > do nearly enough. Also, most Free software projects su^W should. The number of contributors is not going up as fast as it should. I have been quite exasparated with every package I submitted. Does that mean I should stop packaging? Note that I actually like packaging, but I feel mentally blocked to submit to the ML... Should we really leave it to those that are more inclined to do the dance? > >license, github etc. >=20 > I've not seen any licence purism (yet) either. Anything Free, goes. > No? Yes, but there are also non-free packages in our repo. They do not have to go in GNU Guix. I am a great fan of the FSF and GNU. I think GNU Guix is pure genius. I always choose free over non-free. But we also have to be pragmatic. > I'm curious why GitHub's in that list. Sure, the upstream Guix > repository isn't going to move there any time soon. There's no > compelling reason to do so, and not relying on someone else's > good-will is always a good idea. Not relying on someone else's > proprietary secret SaaS is simply common sense. But I haven't > seen any purist elitism towards GitHub users. I'm one. People don't like github because it is non-free. > >I understand the need for purism, and applaud the idea, but we are > >throwing up too many barriers. > > > >Because GNU Guix is an extreme, ... >=20 > Wow. I don't see that. At all. Everything FSF and/or GNU is pretty extreme ;). It is a good thing. I buy into it when I can. Barriers are there. Everyone is different, we have to cater for that. > As long as it's not a fork in any way: yes please! We should consider a separate project that is aligned with trunk. I don't want to divert, but to add to both. Yellow-band Guix? With a Judoka embracing the Guix logo ;). 'A Guix package project without an opinion' would be my choice of a slogan. Judo instead of dancing. I am not looking forward to having a separate project, but I don't see much of an alternative. There will be a fear that actualy contributions to GNU Guix can go down - there is that risk - but my aim is to get more acceptance and contributors and eventually we all gain. I am not worried about QA. Work can be self correcting - we see that a lot. I had a mug that said 'Stop me before I volunteer again'. This is one of those moments... But I may just do it. Pj.