From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jookia <166291@gmail.com> Subject: Re: none Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 13:25:51 +1000 Message-ID: <20160722032551.GA1684@novena-choice-citizen> References: <579027b7.VHXjhpPxQC3AAmeY%pjotr.public12@email> <8760rznoh1.fsf@gnu.org> <20160722004130.GA10340@thebird.nl> <20160722020656.GA10533@thebird.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38249) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <166291@gmail.com>) id 1bQR6L-0001Jb-4Z for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 23:26:14 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <166291@gmail.com>) id 1bQR6G-0004Qo-3P for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 23:26:12 -0400 Received: from mail-wm0-x244.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c09::244]:35674) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <166291@gmail.com>) id 1bQR6F-0004Qg-T0 for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 23:26:08 -0400 Received: by mail-wm0-x244.google.com with SMTP id i5so4398041wmg.2 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 20:26:07 -0700 (PDT) Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160722020656.GA10533@thebird.nl> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Pjotr Prins Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 04:06:56AM +0200, Pjotr Prins wrote: > A provocation: because of purism GNU Guix takes an elitist approach. > > I am thinking that we need another project because it appears to be > impossible to combine low threshold with GNU Guix goals. > > How about Alt-Guix, a packaging effort without opinion. As long as a > package builds it gets accepted. This can act as an incubator for main > line. There will be no purist views on syntax, layout, license, github > etc. The whole idea is to build on each others shoulders and anything > that starts is a great contribution. > > It would have accepted Erlang + Elixir packages half a year ago and > made it possible to get people interested in these much earlier. Maybe > they would have made it to main line already because more people got > involved and wanted that. > > This is much closer to my idea of successful incremental FOSS > projects, i.e., welcome all comers. I think that is part of the appeal > of brew and conda. People need immediate gratification for work. > > I understand the need for purism, and applaud the idea, but we are > throwing up too many barriers. > > Because GNU Guix is an extreme, we can have the other extreme too. It > would make it easier to invite people, train people and find packages > now hiding behind GUIX_PACKAGE_PATHs. > > Pj. I've wanted to do something like this, but what about carrying non-package patches? ie for bootloader support on ARM and better device-mapper support