From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Pjotr Prins Subject: Re: none Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 04:06:56 +0200 Message-ID: <20160722020656.GA10533@thebird.nl> References: <579027b7.VHXjhpPxQC3AAmeY%pjotr.public12@email> <8760rznoh1.fsf@gnu.org> <20160722004130.GA10340@thebird.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57865) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bQPv8-0002IX-0s for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 22:10:34 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bQPv2-0007Hr-0A for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 22:10:32 -0400 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160722004130.GA10340@thebird.nl> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Pjotr Prins Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org A provocation: because of purism GNU Guix takes an elitist approach. I am thinking that we need another project because it appears to be impossible to combine low threshold with GNU Guix goals. How about Alt-Guix, a packaging effort without opinion. As long as a package builds it gets accepted. This can act as an incubator for main line. There will be no purist views on syntax, layout, license, github etc. The whole idea is to build on each others shoulders and anything that starts is a great contribution. It would have accepted Erlang + Elixir packages half a year ago and made it possible to get people interested in these much earlier. Maybe they would have made it to main line already because more people got involved and wanted that. This is much closer to my idea of successful incremental FOSS projects, i.e., welcome all comers. I think that is part of the appeal of brew and conda. People need immediate gratification for work. I understand the need for purism, and applaud the idea, but we are throwing up too many barriers. Because GNU Guix is an extreme, we can have the other extreme too. It would make it easier to invite people, train people and find packages now hiding behind GUIX_PACKAGE_PATHs. Pj.