From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Leo Famulari Subject: Re: Too many questions about texlive-texmf Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:50:48 -0400 Message-ID: <20160711165048.GD7615@jasmine> References: <20160710185100.GA4707@jasmine> <87bn2439jp.fsf@elephly.net> <20160711082121.GC17662@debian-netbook> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42584) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bMeQD-0008Oo-LZ for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:51:06 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bMeQ8-0002Kk-Km for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:51:05 -0400 Received: from out5-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.29]:41279) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bMeQ7-0002Ix-9W for guix-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2016 12:51:00 -0400 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20160711082121.GC17662@debian-netbook> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Efraim Flashner Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 11:21:21AM +0300, Efraim Flashner wrote: > I don't know. Among the packages based on this is libreoffice, which I'm > guessing many people who would use it would never install it if they > always needed to build it from source. Based on the notes in maths.scm on > openblas, `#:substitutable? #f' also disables offloading, so while we don't > want to serve the file from hydra, we don't want to prevent people from > offloading the build to a more powerful machine. Right, we don't want to stand in the way of people with more powerful hardware and more bandwidth. This is a concern I brought up the last time we had this discussion. [0] The limitations of our current hardware should probably not be baked into the Guix codebase. On the other hand, I think that for each user that comes to IRC or help-guix to ask about this, there are several more that give up or (hopefully without too much frustration) figure it out. It's a bad user experience. [0] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2016-04/msg00386.html > Is there a way that we can mark that it hasn't been built yet on > hydra? Or can we change the error message for when it fails to > download a file from hydra to: > > Package "foo" failed to download. This may be because: > 1. not yet built on hydra > 2. fails to build, please help fix > 3. broken pipe, try again > > If you would like to try building it on your machine to work around 1 or > 3, please add '--fallback' to your command. I think that the current error message is clear that the solution is to try again with --fallback. I think that if people won't read this error message, they probably won't read a longer error message. Although perhaps the list format will catch their eye.