From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Efraim Flashner Subject: Re: Publishing an Official Statement on Self-Hosted Compilers Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 01:30:18 +0300 Message-ID: <20160505223018.GA21306@debian-netbook> References: <1462459952.3184683.599099897.2F5459D9@webmail.messagingengine.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38811) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ayRn9-000600-9d for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2016 18:30:58 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ayRmx-0000fq-FC for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2016 18:30:37 -0400 Received: from flashner.co.il ([178.62.234.194]:56734) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ayRmx-0000ct-8m for guix-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 May 2016 18:30:31 -0400 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1462459952.3184683.599099897.2F5459D9@webmail.messagingengine.com> List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: Alex Griffin Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org --LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 05, 2016 at 09:52:32AM -0500, Alex Griffin wrote: > Hello Guixlings, >=20 > One thing I think the Guix project should do is work with the > reproducible builds folks to publish a document explaining the issues > involved with self-hosted compilers. It should encourage language > communities to continuously maintain some way to build their language > starting from hand-written C source code (or another language which can > itself be bootstrapped from C). It could also mention that some members > of our community are exploring ways to bootstrap gcc. >=20 > What do you think? It might be a total flop, but it looks like something > we should try anyway! At the moment I do not see other communities > talking about this. Guix is deeply concerned about these issues, but > ultimately we cannot fix everything alone. If we can convince the > Rust/OCaml/Haskell folks that this is important, we may be able to > attract a much larger group of people to bear on the problem. >=20 > Thanks for your thoughts, > --=20 > Alex Griffin >=20 It's not something I had really thought of before, with the focus being on reproducable building of packages. It doesn't take much, though, to realize that you have to start from somewhere to get reproducable and trustable binaries. While it's easy to throw up your hands and say "its turtles all the way down," the more the turtles rest on C's turtles the better. --=20 Efraim Flashner =D7=90=D7=A4=D7=A8=D7=99=D7=9D = =D7=A4=D7=9C=D7=A9=D7=A0=D7=A8 GPG key =3D A28B F40C 3E55 1372 662D 14F7 41AA E7DC CA3D 8351 Confidentiality cannot be guaranteed on emails sent or received unencrypted --LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJXK8l3AAoJEPTB05F+rO6Tzt0P/1dM9ITR1FBGJ01OzXQoR0zh QkwLoGakEG/dlIkpvs1twcGHtRL/DKE6uB9sZuaCXVEnpnaTrYy65o7rxfNAKn+C TtVNauUkHwak+TXY83DkCs5Twp004b0f0aWCKHOmMkLh0B5oZ9LS5gocynme3cyh JGd8JSQbgdKHVoqFdTXF9Dr/nei1vDUBY9RcDKUzCVknqjRlDWBHj0opN2bnLOeu tC90t65Y5ShnTbjx5GyjLDUFGyuAykstiSGRGetlkN6RMhrbZerqvOKh7vZRrn/C L5kAKuM7CEN/KtexPfSYcSKmGsRZv1Qcq8mSlDB3Jz+JvtRemQKH10Ayv2TbKkFX 2kXMCQGCHnzKwSKOPEUMUFl++1RcTunoNT7r/cdgBAuviiH4Wt5XcOLbr6ANFUcA zjv8olN1znC/uPmH/mz+FbMfy1h2o4ujOHF9cZh79k99/zbr07uBgZHcqFSWp+Vm Wt8sfyd0ybCKIYcLnpSRarXj8LoAkLF18iTQiNq4FOEXVEbSzbcHzuERq29mVkcO gdfanmVxHI5LhBriWV7CtJDalcGdBwSCSNxs8dqk/L5Ho8mQoC0QdtBiWe9W7PcP Nm2KUs/Y16rreDn49xf+k2d1Q6aY/WupHfwamFR8Jii5BLUCuNJsh9lp+iz9GfcR yaV8Ko7xHj3CkeU3fIJg =2kY+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X--