From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: John Darrington Subject: Re: Reorganizing guix package commands Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 15:35:50 +0200 Message-ID: <20160419133549.GA2868@jocasta.intra> References: <874mazi99k.fsf@gmail.com> <877ffual6i.fsf@gnu.org> <86bn56ziw9.fsf@gmail.com> <20160419051701.GA10275@jocasta.intra> <86y489ycwr.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56102) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1asVoz-0005dT-3K for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 09:36:06 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1asVos-0000Ax-VF for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 09:36:05 -0400 Received: from de.cellform.com ([88.217.224.109]:48560 helo=jocasta.intra) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1asVos-0000AX-NM for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Apr 2016 09:35:58 -0400 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Guix-devel" To: "Thompson, David" Cc: guix-devel , myglc2 --sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 09:03:30AM -0400, Thompson, David wrote: I'm with Ricardo. Separating things into things for "users" and things for "developers" just re-establishes the dichotomy that we intend to blur, and insist isn't really there in the first place. We want to encourage users to hack the system, not cordon off a section of tools and say "these aren't for you." Surely there are improvements that can be made without sacrificing this. The conventional school of usability is not focused on making users more computer literate, so we need to take a different route. =20 I do take your point here, and I am fully in agreement that the distinction between users and developers is an artificial one which we should not maint= ain. But there are always going to be categories of tasks which are closely rela= ted to one another, other tasks which are only loosely related and some which a= re not related at all. The idea is to make the user interface intuitive, not to dissuade people fr= om=20 using them. J' --=20 Avoid eavesdropping. Send strong encryted email. PGP Public key ID: 1024D/2DE827B3=20 fingerprint =3D 8797 A26D 0854 2EAB 0285 A290 8A67 719C 2DE8 27B3 See http://sks-keyservers.net or any PGP keyserver for public key. --sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAlcWNDUACgkQimdxnC3oJ7N9/QCfb3+0C7YQskiM3PryIUO4Aqv2 3NkAniP7JKkdN3Npb3r551m25QFE5bou =jwh3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu--