From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jean Louis Subject: Re: MAME emulator is giving incentive to use non-free software Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2016 14:00:51 +0200 Message-ID: <20160329120051.GD13512@protected.rcdrun.com> References: <20160328215516.GA27719@protected.rcdrun.com> <20160329002620.GB6484@jookia-eeepc.Home> <20160329044242.GA1239@protected.rcdrun.com> <20160329062711.GA17752@jookia-eeepc.Home> <20160329073040.GA20807@protected.rcdrun.com> <20160329082522.GA10814@jookia-eeepc.Home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59036) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aksMC-0005a7-Hz for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2016 08:02:52 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aksM6-0007D8-MQ for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2016 08:02:48 -0400 Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:56515) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aksM6-00072p-Fj for guix-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Mar 2016 08:02:42 -0400 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: List-Id: "Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: guix-devel-bounces+gcggd-guix-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: rain1@openmailbox.org Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 12:35:12PM +0100, rain1@openmailbox.org wrote: > MAME, Wine, Qemu and GNU/linux-libre all have the following in common: = You > can use them to run non free software. While they can all also be used = to > run free software I don't think this is important. Here's why: The free= dom > to run the program as you wish, for any purpose (freedom 0). OK, please remember, I discuss this in friendly manner, totally separate from other subjects. It is not personal. I wish that people get awareness of what means pushing free software into society. I do feel that in GuixSD, since yesterday, there is lack of the understanding what means truly free software. When Trademark issue is not recognized over MAME=C2=AE trademark, I also see that there is lack o= f legal advice. Person who owns trademark may impose future restrictions on software even demand moneys for sales of such. So that issue is separate to be handled if MAME is included in GuixSD. Including a package such as MAME is convenient for gamers, but does not push free software into the society. People who make free software distributions shall undertand that important responsibility. Did you read the guidelines? http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html Cite: "What would be unacceptable is for the documentation to give people instructions for installing a nonfree program on the system, or mention conveniences they might gain by doing so." Does README.md here, belongs to documentation? I think it does. https://github.com/mamedev/mame Does it encite users to use non-free software by "preserving decades of software history"? It does. Does it give incentive to users by "Where can I find out more?" to come to the official website and does the official website offer any free software? No, they don't. They offer ROMs, which cannot be even copied. Does then GuixSD gives incentive by distributing MAME to users, to use non-free software? Absolutely yes. Are users of MAME who ask for support within that community to run MAME, going to be divided because they will not get support truly, but they will rather be rejected with "sorry, we don't support proprietary installations of ROMs" -- yes, it will happen, just as it is already happening with Trisquel. I use free software and I am free and fine with it. I am not using free software to have 2 faces or to recommend to others non-free software. For that reason that MAME gives incentive to majority of users to use non-free software, it shall not be included in distribution. Jean Louis